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meganp

Active Member
About a week ago I got a DDB, he's about ten weeks old. He's already started to adjust to a schedule, he's doing better each day with going the bathroom and I discovered he LOVES being in a crate. He's been gnawing on things as he's obviously teething and I decided to research how to help him. Now I'm seeing horror stories about people whose DDB were aggressive and out of control. Stories about dogues who ripped up their owners stuff, would bite and wouldn't let people in the door. Please put my mind at ease and tell me that this is not what I have in store for me.

We have owned a Bull mastiff and a Great Pyrenees in the past so we have had large breeds. So far we have had multiple visitors including my sister and her two children who are 1 and 3. He has done fine with everyone young to older. He's great about letting me put his hand near his mouth while eating or chewing on a bone. When the kids were over he'd sniff them and watch them as they jumped around and yelled. He was very low key.

I haven't seen any reason to worry about his behavior but reading some of these stories has me worried.
 

RockstarDDB

Well-Known Member
Socialize your Dogue early and often. expose him to new situations . praise him for clam behavior , patiently and calmly correct him when he is out of line. Tearing stuff up is exercise and boredom. Aggression is partly due to poor socialization or in consistently exposing him to strangers ,new situations, and other animals. some of it is temperament and working bloodline from what i am told. DDB are not as guarded as other Working Breed mastiff's . like corso, presa,Dogo . But if you leave the dog in the house ten hours a day. don't walk him regularly, take him out to visit new people and other animals .he will guard the house with his life he will snarl growl lunge and let everything in a 50 yard radius when you do walk him.

you should be fine if you socialize your dog, spend time with him and treat him as part of the household. Put him in the back yard and throw toys at him every once in a while and you will have a monster.
 

NYDDB

Well-Known Member
I have to agree with Rockstar; you and your lifestyle will have a huge impact on how your Dogue reacts to stressful and/or fearful situations. True, genetic temperament is a big factor as well, but it's a "nature vs nurture" thing, as with all beings...

My DDB is a dream, temperamentally-- he has a high threshold for stress, and is calm and stable in almost any situation. But, i also live in a highly populated city, so socialization was fairly easy- as soon as we step outside there are lots of people, strange noises, dogs, etc. He learned to understand they were "normal" aspects of life. I also did a lot of puppy play groups, and took him ouit of the city to meet new people, dogs, and new environments...

The only time he reacts in a more guarded mode is when it's night and also when a large male dog is pushy and aggressive towards him--- and yes, hell can break loose. Again, training and more training will keep things in check.

Even as a pup, Mateo never destroyed my things, nor was/is he destructive or possessive over food, treats, whatever...

Don't be discouraged by what you read over the internet; just train your pup, socialize, and maybe prepare yourself for some rocky times when they hit adolescence...that's always fun. ;)
 

DennasMom

Well-Known Member
Ditto the above!

Dogs are often a reflection of their humans.... if you are kind, confident, polite and generous, your dog will probably grow up with a similar outlook on life.

On the flip side - mastiffs are independent thinkers... so you definitely need to provide guidance, training and socialization to be sure your pup is well balanced and content, as mentioned above.

Sounds like you've got a sweet pup - we'd love to see some pictures! :)
 

karennj

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If you getting a lot of your horror stories from forums like this remember a lot of people come here because they have issues they are trying to fix and need help from other mastiff owners. I know that is why I first came here.
 

teodora

Well-Known Member
I wish there were more beautiful stories about dogs going viral, instead of horror news (witch hunting...). However, according to mass media one should never get married, live with another human in the house or get kids, as well: they're dangerous. They'll surely kill at some point.
 

meganp

Active Member
Thanks everyone for your responses. I live on a fairly active street due to there being a park just three houses away from mine so the puppy is already getting used to seeing lots of people around and we have had a number of people in and out of the house. This will continue his whole life so I'm hoping it'll never be an issue. I'm just waiting for his shots to be done so we can start doggie school and socializing him with all his doggie relatives. (Lots of dogs in our family!) With a rare exception here or there he won't ever be alone that long, maybe three hours and by the time that happens he'll most likely be much more settled into the house.

Tepdpra is right as well, I can't let a few stories worry me. I read horror stories about how too much running can be horrible for your health but I still run. Been awhile since we've had a puppy and I think I was just overly concerned. Thanks everyone!
 

meganp

Active Member
Might as well share some pictures of the little guy. Cant always get him to stay still long enough to get good pictures. Stayed away from the usual big dog names and named him Deacon after a character on the tv show Nashville. (I love country music and the city of Nashville so this seemed appropriate.)

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Nitrojedi

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Sadly my DDB is now gone..However I can definitely add some first hand experience towards the temperament of the DDB..My dog was exactly how the dogue is described , a dog of dissuasion..He looked mean, acted mean, hated anyone and everyone, chased people out of the yard, chased animals out of the yard, however he bit nobody and was more or less harmless....Even when he had chased down and cornered a rabbit he did nothing but stand over it.. People would come over and George would act like the grumpy bouncer at the bar who asks for your ID every time you go to that bar, even tho you have been there a 100 times over the guy still asks for your ID... Even people who had been over a thousand times were still treated the same way every time...George would not harm them, however he would let them know he was watching them and that they were indeed outsiders....In the end George was all about show and dissuasion, he had a very high threshold for real aggression and even when attacked by another dog we were easily able to call him off..He was extremely gentle with small dogs and animals, he would chase anything that ran, but never with any ill intent..

Soto give you an example..when people would come over I would instruct them to not make any eye contact with george or attempt to pet him..Treat him like he was a snobby cat and allow him to take interest in yo, whatever you do, do not make extended eye contact, call him by name like you know him or try to give him any commands, also do not try to pet him or touch him in any way till he comes to you.... Now George would not hurt anyone if they broke these rules, however if they ever wanted any chance to become his friend for the day they needed to follow protocol......So that was step one, the second step was to have them sit down on the couch which allowed George the opportunity to settle down and relax a little.. Once he was relaxed he would usually go up and start investigating the new arrivals...Usually some sniffing would lead to some nose pokes and shoves....Now because I Instructed people to not make eye contact george would use these head pokes and nose bumps to try to get them to make eye contact.... Poke after poke after poke til the person finally made eye contact... Usually at this point George would make is DDB stink face lip curl as only a DDB can do ..Just to let them know he was still watching them..... After this eye contact and last threat George would usually stand in front of the person an expect them to pet him on the backside right above his tail LOL.........

George was extremely socialized, extremely well exercised and came to work with me every day, none of his behavior was trained it was genetic and no amount of socializing or exercise would change it....He was as close to a old world working DDB as you could ask for and he behaved text book as what he was intended to be, a dog if dissuasion, look mean and tough and chase people off the property without harming them...... he was a master of the art of bullying and intimidation with an extremely high bite threshold.. Off property he was harmless and shy with people... So much so that he would go visit my neighbor in her yard and act like a normal dog,she could pet him, lead him on a leash, however once in his yard he wouldn't even allow her to feed him over the fence, he would snap at her hands and force her to throw the treats over the fence.... Once he was on his property it was like his job was to be a bouncer and everyone was treated the same with zero tolerance or favoritism , even people he knew since we adopted him....It was the strangest thing you could imagine....

I adopted George at 1 yr old so this behavior was already there, I could not Alpha role George or do any force type dominance training as George was far too powerful...Take this very seriously, these dogs are stupidly powerful, you need to have them want to do what you want them to do, you will not force them to do it if they don't want to do it...So always treat these guys with respect and realize even a causal body check is enough to knock you senseless.. I found George was very proud and that by treating him with respect he seemed to treat us with respect, we had a very good mutual understanding and he was perfectly behaved and safe off leash everywhere and anywhere....

Good news is the DDB are the most sensitive,loving and empathic dogs you could imagine, like they have a 6th sense tied to your moods and will bond with you closer then a normal dog will, even with all the stubborn quirky traits I would own a George over and over again if I could... The ultimate guard dog , the ultimate family dog all woven together into a stable reliable dog that can separate being a goofy dog and guarding the house like a person going to their day job.....

Worst thing I had to deal with was his horrible flatulence ..His farts were as powerful as his muscles !
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Sorry to hear you lost your boy, George.

What you have described is Titan. He does not allow anyone near the car or apartment or me. He dislikes men because his last owner hit him when he did not do a command. :(

I adopted Titan at 2 1/2 years of age and I've had him for 2 1/2 years. I have not got him to where he is desensitized to men walking toward us as long as they do not come directly at us and do not talk to me. He used to lunge and growl at all men who were within 20 feet of us.

He occasionally is a nightmare at drive thru. I've trained him to "stay" and "leave it" but if a man comes to drive thru window, game on to him. He growls and barks. He will not even allow family or friends to come near the car or any car, if I'm in the car.

Titan is my baby boy and we've had a long, hard road to get where we are today. Titan is a work in progress. On a happier note, he has completely bonded with me. :)
 

RockstarDDB

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Dogue de bordeaux are fine if socialized and trained early. If they came form an abusive back ground, were not socialized and not made part of a household . They will become guarded and dominant males will be extreme. They are a stubborn breed and if they were not trained and socialized from puppy stages it will be a lot of work. Rescuing is great and highly rewarding i have a Neo x Corso that was abused , starved and over bred. Bringing her back was highly rewarding and she is the most loyal and affectionate dog i have ever seen .

My first was not consistently socialized (my mistake not the dogs ) and by six months hated the mail man and anyone with hats or uniforms , I am a UPS driver so it was odd . By one year he would not allow anyone near my wife who was pregnant at the time. Several weeks of obedience helped but he had horrible moments. he was fine with guests if i opened the door and invited them in. If he did not witness the door opening and the guest entering the home he would chase them into a corner and not allow them to move. He never once behaved this way with children .he was vigilantly by their side even ones he did not know.

Never correct a DDB or any dog for that matter with Abuse. As musicdeb has pointed out they will not tolerate it. A lab will cower A DDB will ignore you until he makes the decision you need to be eliminated. Build a relationship with the dog and he will worship you , give his life with out question for you. and remember at sexual maturity the dog may challenge your patience and almost renegotiate the terms of your relationship.

They are a confident breed and if socialized will tolerate just about any nonsense from other dogs . Nitro is right the realtionship with a DDB is extreme they are empathic and very sensitive to their owners. they will naturally pick up on your moods, physical state. if your ill they will show concern and probably annoy you with affection lol.

Meganp you will be fine , DDB are great dogs. Just Socialize him early and often don't let him walk over you. Walk him regularly take him out to public places frequently and you will have nothing to fear
 

NYDDB

Well-Known Member
They are, indeed, a proud and confident breed, with an almost built-in arrogance...which can be both endearing and problematic.

With Mateo, it shows itself when meeting new dogs for the first time. It's as if he demands a certain amount of respect from the other dog..especially if it is a male. He does this by the stare-down, which is meant to intimidate...and it really is intimidating... Some dogs, for example, will come charging up to a fence full of spit and fire- all Mateo has to do is stand tall, turn his head and give them "the stare" and they usually will slowly back away, LOL. If not, then the challenge is taken up and you better have some good training tools and a powerful arm to avoid some chaos from breaking out if there is no fence between them...

Fortunately, he usually does this with dogs, not people. Unless they (the person) are acting very "off", in which case he will simply stand rooted to the ground until they pass, locking eyes the whole time. But he has never lunged, growled or acted inappropriate with people; most likely because no one person has ever acted inappropriate towards him...

At the end of the day, though, the DDB is an amazingly sensitive, empathetic, powerful, stubborn and goofy dog who will bond with you, and protect you, like no other.
 

Nitrojedi

Well-Known Member
Proud and arrogant ! dam straight ! LOL..... arrogant is a understatement LOL !

Wherever we took George to the dog park he pranced around with a confident swagger holding his tail up high flagging to every dog around around that he was king shit..Usually he was followed by a pack of small dogs riding his coatails....2 times he was attacked for his arrogant behavior, however it did not seem to bother him any and he never seemed to take the dogs to be any real threat and only buddy wrestled them to the ground, both timnes we were able to call him off without the other dog being physically hurt, ego was busted up some i'm sure, but George was soo confident he never felt he had anything to prove ......One time at the park there was a very obnoxious Airdale terrier who was humping every dog he could latch onto...George seemed to pick this guy out immediately and as we were making out loop he decided to wander off and pay this dog a visit...George never wandered off so this was quite abnormal for him, anyways George went straight up to this dog and grabbed hold and started humping him...The Airdale didn't know wha to do LOL...By the time I gt there the owner and his friends were all having a good laugh over it, as they say their dog is really bad for it and they though tit was funny to see him get a taste of his own medicine LOL ! George never ever ever did anything like this before, nor has he done anything like this again...It was like this Airdale had humped one of george's buddies and George decided it was payback time..it was a mission and statement......
 

teodora

Well-Known Member
A DDB will ignore you until he makes the decision you need to be eliminated.
lol, no! I don't have a DDB, BUT this is not the right temperament of ANY dog - NO MATTER what the owner did at some point in time or what was the dog's perception. Otherwise all of us should expect to be killed in our sleep because we took our dog to the vet to be vaccinated or spayed - unpleasant experience.
A dog with a wagging tail that silently plots to eliminate its owner is not a dog, is some other creature: a human, perhaps? :)
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Rockstar DDB is right, DDB will ignore until he makes the decision you need to be eliminated. No sugar coating on that statement.

meganp, you will be fine. Socialize, socialize and socialize some more. Consistency in training with motivational rewards and LOTS, I mean LOTS of patience.

I believe if I had Titan from when he was a puppy, he would not have the temperament he has now. In addition to hitting Titan, the owner kept him in a closed off room in his crate for 10-12 hours. Titan had zero socialization.

Like I said, Titan has improved a great deal since he's been with me. I would not trade him or our time together, although he can be a PIA sometimes. :)
 

RockstarDDB

Well-Known Member
lol, no! I don't have a DDB, BUT this is not the right temperament of ANY dog - NO MATTER what the owner did at some point in time or what was the dog's perception. Otherwise all of us should expect to be killed in our sleep because we took our dog to the vet to be vaccinated or spayed - unpleasant experience.
A dog with a wagging tail that silently plots to eliminate its owner is not a dog, is some other creature: a human, perhaps? :)
A dog that is beaten daily ,mistreated,starved shown no compassion or affection will become fearful and aggressive the difference is most mastiffs have an extreme ability to endure pain, they have confidence under extreme conditions. If they don't bond to you, trust you and have a daily dose of someone hurting them, starving them ,trying to intimidate them , they will turn on you. Some breeds will just lay down and wait for the bitter end. Pretty much all the mastiff breeds will not tolerate this, nor do they do well if you baby them hide them away and treat them like a 150 pound toddler. I hope i did not give the impression that a DDB has murderous and malicious intent. They are a proud confident breed. You can not break their will they will turn on you . Love them now or run from them later.