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Poor Desmo has had a rough life

Franswa

Member
So I do not post on here very often, but figured that I would give a little update for my dog Desmo. A little background, he was found as a stray in rural Georgia. He was heart worm positive and very sick with a few other ailments, signs of abuse etc. Eventually he made a recovery and was lucky enough to make it into a rescue program because he can be dog reactive. We found him at a foster home in New Hampshire. He wouldn't make eye contact, has funny scissor cropped ears and a goofy stub tail that are obviously home done. Hes now as funny and goofy dog as I have ever met. About a month ago he got very lethargic very quickly, in only a few days his back legs stopped working. We took him into the emergency room at MSPCA Angell in Boston near where we live. Please keep in mind this is a very large very renowned pet hospital in Boston, its the size of a small hospital. He was looked at and they took blood. They were not sure what was wrong beyond him being very dehydrated. We opted to take him home because he can become very stressed and reactive in certain situations (he does live with two other dogs and a very annoying pushy pig) The next day he was back again, his legs wouldn't work and he wouldn't move. This time he was diagnosed with Adisons disease. It is a problem that affects dogs and people where they do not produce the correct amount of steroids in their body. Before treating him the vet warned us it could be very expensive going ahead too treat him for the rest of his life. The option was given to us to put him down or treat him, this seemed crazy to me, why would we put him down if he could be treated? Well it turns out he needs a daily steroid pill and a monthly injection, the pill is no big deal but they said we should look into the injection before proceeding, of course I didn't, just wanted him fixed. So a night, a pill and injection and $1,500 later and hes better than ever (well he does pee A LOT, tough when were at work). The vets were not prepared for a dog his size, nor one that can be reactive around other dogs at times, they made us walk out the delivery door, they had him in a make shift room with warnings every where saying hes highly aggressive etc. We warned them and they brushed us off saying of course they knew how to hande all dogs. They still obviously had no experience or preparation for a dog his size or his breed. A few weeks go by, one night while at work my girlfriend calls in a panic saying Desmo is sick again, so off to the emergency room he goes, a few minuits later the vet comes back saying he has bloat, and yes his stomach has flipped around. argh. I attribute this to the gas and upset stomach caused by the steroids, as well as a round of antibiotics they had him on for tick diseases he may have had. Well, the always friendly staff at Angell do their best mob boss impression saying if we dont have $7300 up front they cant treat him, mind you this is 12:00 on friday night. The Dr. was a dick. When asking about financing options or delayed payment he rudely shot us down saying no such options, cash up front only or MY DOG WILL DIE, no emotion, of course at this point Im screaming through the speaker phone, he actually suggested we "call our friends" yes thats a great option at 12:00 on friday night. Then they wouldn't let my girlfriend apply for care credit under my name because I wasn't there in person, which of course Im terrified I might not get approved for because thats a crap load of money and my credit has had its ups and downs. Finally they gave her a room so they couldn't see her apply without me there, of course the entire time the clock is ticking on poor Desmo. Luckily I was approved and off to Surgery he goes now that they have their blood money. Im not complaining about all their policies or pricing just the way the whole thing is handled. Two days later hes home and happy with a cone the size of small satellite dish, and a nice $5000 bill. Hes great, just had his staples removed, and his first steroid injection, now I see why the vet warned that a lot of people with large dogs that have addisons may choose to put them down, his weight calls for a whole vial of steroid, which currently costs over $300! thats each month! thankfully we have since taken him to a nearby vet that is known for being very bully breed friendly, they were great and the vet explained she had another customer with a mastiff great dane cross that was near 200lbs with addisons who gets twice as much dose as Desmo, and she works with them to bring the dosage down to the minimum by constantly checking his electrolytes and varying dosage on that, which is what desmo will be getting. So thats it, half a rant, half a story. Do I regret any of it for a rescue dog who pees on the floor too much? Not at all. PLease let me know if any one has a dog with Adisons disease, or if you have any experience with vets and the problems with paying for bloat surgery.


 

Rugers-Kris

Well-Known Member
A heart breaking and heart warming story and one beautiful pup and a damn cute pig! I have no experience with the health issues or medications that you are dealing with BUT I wanted to applaud you for not only saving this pups life by rescuing him but doing everything you can to keep him healthy and happy. Thing about karma is that it does come around, good and bad and you deserve some of the good kind. :) I am sorry that you are dealing with all of this and so happy to hear that he is home and happy. Please keep us updated and you can never post enough photos. :)
 

khplaw

Well-Known Member
OMG! Desmo is so fortunate to have such a loving person to look after! It is a shame that so many vets have had to get hard core, but we can thank the people who didn't pay their bills before us! Who is Desmo's little porcine friend?
 

DDSK

Well-Known Member
I have nothing on the bloat issue.
My adult Zoey is 3 years old and was diagnosed with Addisons as well, this was in August.
3 days in the Hospital and $3200.00 later she came home.
Zoey is the best dog I have ever had and I would spend the money again if I had to.
By the way she went in to the hospital for an ACL surgery as two seperate Vets had said she was limping so bad because of her knee.
While in the hospital before she went into surgery she crashed and almost died.
Lucky they had a 1st rate internal medecine Vet there to tend to her.
She was so bad the Vet did not wait for the tests to come back for the Addisons and figured she would treat her for Addisons and see if she responded and she did.
Zoey gets a half a pill every day and a shot every 25 days, the shots are the expensive part.
She is doing so well the Vet wants to slowly stretch her out to a shot every 30 days adding one more day from 25 every cycle till she reaches 30 days.
I had to take her in for her shots at first, but now I give her the shots myself at home.
You can shop around on the internet to find the medecine for the shots quite a bit cheaper and you save the cost of the Vet visit, injection costs, disposal costs etc etc etc.
It still cost around $200.00 per shot, but on the 1st go around they sent me a whole box of Hypodermics and needles.
It is not difficult to do they should be able to show you how to do it so you can do it at home if they don't offer I would ask them.
It is a big needle and thick medecine and it is a fairly painfull shot as it has to be done in the muscle of the hip.
Zoey isn't too keen with it, but she forgives me every time I have to stick her.
Zoey no longer limps and has gotten most of the strenght back in her hind legs and does not need knee surgery.
She is happy, healthy and the only drawback except for the cost as far as I can tell is that her undercoat grows fast and thick and we live in Southern California so it never gets very cold here.
Good luck to you and your pup and bless you for saving the little guy!!
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Desmo is quite lucky to have found you both! I hate emergency vet hospitals. They refuse to treat unless you pay upfront and they screw you without giving you dinner first. I hate them!

Poor Desmo, Addison's and bloat. Good to hear that he's on the mend after the bloat incident.

Desmo is quite handsome!
 

Vinny

Well-Known Member
Desmo and Zoey are both lucky to have such loving parents. I would definitely do the same for my Gemma.
We had a similar situation as you and the vets with their bullying tactics. Not with Gemma but with previous pets. So we searched and opted for a doctor with big breed experience who actually comes to our home for most cases. She also has a large facility for surgeries X-ray etc. We even have her cell that she does not mind us using and we have. We also have pet insurance which after her 250.00 deductible we get reimbursed for care. I'm not sure if that is a feasible option for pre existing conditions but it might not hurt to look into it.
Again kudos to you for providing such great homes!!!
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, most pet insurances have a pre-existing clause. No reimbursements for up to 2 years on pre-existing conditions. :(
 

Vinny

Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, most pet insurances have a pre-existing clause. No reimbursements for up to 2 years on pre-existing conditions. :(
. Thats what we found also. You would essentially pay the insurance during that time to get some relief in 2 years.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
. Thats what we found also. You would essentially pay the insurance during that time to get some relief in 2 years.
Yea, it sucks. That's why emergency vets can charge you astronomical fees, they know most people are not going to buy health insurance and pay for 2 years before they cover pre-exisiting. Did I say, "I hate emergency vets"?
 

Franswa

Member
OMG! Desmo is so fortunate to have such a loving person to look after! It is a shame that so many vets have had to get hard core, but we can thank the people who didn't pay their bills before us! Who is Desmo's little porcine friend?

Thats Oliver, or as I prefer to call him, "The Complaint Department" he's a mini juliana pig, he bosses the three dogs around.

 

khplaw

Well-Known Member
Precious Oliver! My girlfriends husband brought home a wild boar piglet thinking it wouldn;t get too big. It proceeded to grow to be 600 pounds, up turn EVERY plant indoors and out, tusked apart their sofa and loveseat, pokes a hole in their refrigerator and all this in the 4 hours they left it while they went to the movies. VIdal, as in FGore Vidal, was apparently quite yummy. Olivers are not for eating; they are for playing with! So precious
 

Franswa

Member
Yeah just like dogs a lot of people dont do their research before getting a piglet, they all start out the same size, then genetics and their feeding takes over, with the mini pig fad, its very sad how many abandoned overweight piggies are in shelters and rescues. I did months of research before settling on a breeder and driving to florida to see his parents and choose a piglet. I probably know more about mini pigs than any man should but they are pretty damn funny, and its frightening to know we eat them when you learn how intelligent they are (they can play video games and estimates put them close to the comprehension level of an 8 year old) and especially how closely they are related to us, their genome was mapped recently and it may turn out to be closer to our own than most apes. Like I said I know way more about pet swine than I need to.
 

DDSK

Well-Known Member
Hmmmmmmmmm Intelligent Bacon.
Sorry but I like pork products too much to allow them to play video games in the house!!
My father had a pet pig when he was a kid that did the dog thing, followed him to school met him after schoole etc, but it was back in the depression days and I'm not talking about 2006 to 2013 lol
Yep he was one well behaved and friendly porker and provided several good meals eventually.
 

DennasMom

Well-Known Member
Looking at Desmo's sweet face, I can see why you would pay any price to keep him around. Looks like a total sweetie!
as my DH is fond of saying... "it's just money... you'll make more." :rolleyes:

I'm no help on the medical conditions - glad there are others here that can help, though.

Cute pig, too! Love the tongue picture.
 

Kimmarieh

Well-Known Member
Have you checked to see if you can get the steroid medication online from Canada? I had a dog on medication that cost $1000 for a 3 month supply, but was able to get it from CanadaPharmacyOnline for $225. The vet writes out a presciption and you send it to them. My dog's medication required refridgeration and they shipped with ice packs that were always still cold when it arrived.
 

DDSK

Well-Known Member
I need to try that, it cost me $231.00 for each shot and that is every 25 days or so thats about $3300 a year
 

Franswa

Member
I looked into that but I dont think it would work, I think Percorten is pretty much a set price drug and fluctuates with market price. Im not an expert but I really looked into this when I saw how expensive it really is for a 120lb dog. The vet prescribes Percorten as the really expensive steroid shot. That used to be a human drug, its owned by Novartis who designed it and is the only company allowed to make it. I guess its price made it unpopular after they came up with fludrocortisone which does the same thing roughly for a fraction of the cost. I guess they were going to end production until thy realized vets were prescribing it as a highly effective treatment for Addisons in dogs. They got it approved for pet use only and pretty much own the market. Percorten is a shot that they get once every 25 days or so. You figure out the minimum dose to keep their electrolyte level steady and your done, it always works the same, pretty easy. From what I understand from reading a few articles, the fludrocortisone is a regular human drug with plenty of inexpensive places to get it and i guess would run about 30-35 dollars a month, however its a daily pill like the prednasone and maybe not quite as successful at controlling Addisons in dogs. You need to check their electrolytes often and adjust based on stress etc? Im not sure but thats sort of what I understand, its not a one steady dosage a day and forget about it. Im going to find a vet that has experience with prescribing both and see if its worthwhile to look into switching him to the less expensive drug. Maybe someone here has looked into this before?