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Raw feeders: gross-out question

ruthcatrin

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Gizzards are great meat, I'd alternate them with hearts, but see if you can get some kidneys too. Where are you? Hare-Today sells a huge variety of organs, for (what is for me) a great price. You do have to pay shipping though unless you're close enough to pick up, but I find her quite handy to fill in the cracks for what I can't get local (I have trouble sourcing much beyond liver locally).

 

ruthcatrin

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Also if he hasn't gotten raw beef (pork is another good red meat btw, and often cheaper than beef) before introduce it gradually. Then once he's used to it you can put it in wherever in teh diet works for you.
 

Joeottobre

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Also if he hasn't gotten raw beef (pork is another good red meat btw, and often cheaper than beef) before introduce it gradually. Then once he's used to it you can put it in wherever in teh diet works for you.

He gets the occasional steak, piece of lamb, pork or fish (and those meaty ribs) and has no problem. I also give him beef heart, kidney and livers - I was just telling you the bulk of the diet.
 

ruthcatrin

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Ah, good, I was hoping, but figured I,d better warn you just in case!

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Oh, something to check, in the US its often possible to get beef hearts by the case from butchershops, for a fairly inexpensive price. Counts as red meat.
 

ruthcatrin

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Oh, something to check, in the US its often possible to get beef hearts by the case from butchershops, for a fairly inexpensive price. Counts as red meat.
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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I'd like to do more with my boy's menu and get more exotics but its not possible where I'm am. So I make the best I can from what I can get.
 

angelbears

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You don't have to feed exotics. Far from it. You do have to get a mix of poultry and red meat and organs.

I would like to know where to get those unicorn lips. LOL
 

mastiffico

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that hare-today store looks really neat ..thanks for sharing that link ...i have given my dogs raw chicken before ...my sister has been mainly feeding hers raw food for awhile ..do yall ever feed them chicken livers ...i gave it to mine oseveral times and they got the runs ...just curious if i should try it again or not
 

ruthcatrin

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To much liver can cause diarrhea (liver of any kind). Raw in general can cause diarrhea when combined with kibble. There are several threads on starting raw on here, but in general livers aren't introduced for several weeks because of that reaction. However liver, in moderation, is a crucial part of a raw diet as it contains a huge number of vitamins and minerals in large quantities.
 
No need to troll. :)

@Bas (Bas is my favorite ex fighter btw) Can we try to keep it civil please?

I wasn't trolling. I came on this forum for a bit of advice on a local vet and happened to see the raw feeding question posted by ruthcarin. I chimed in with my 2 cents, because I've been raw feeding my dogs for years and would consider myself an expert of sorts on the matter. Ruthcarin then lambasted me for not providing a varied enough diet that was devoid of proper nutrients and vitamins. It offended me. My intent was only to make the raw feeders in this thread understand that the best spot to get your dog raw food is at your local butcher and not from these expensive specialty companies. First off, the meat is fresher, and I think we can all agree that is a good thing. Secondly, it will cost you a fraction of what it would buying it online or ordering it from a pet food specialty company. A lot of people are turned off by the expense of raw feeding, and that's a shame because it can be much more affordable than people think. I raw feed a 235 lb. male AM on less than $150/month, and he's very healthy. For a dog that size, that's cheaper than a kibble only diet.... Again, wasn't trying to troll

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Also if he hasn't gotten raw beef (pork is another good red meat btw, and often cheaper than beef) before introduce it gradually. Then once he's used to it you can put it in wherever in teh diet works for you.

Pork... The other white meat. Again, not trying to troll, but pork is not red meat.
 
Also if he hasn't gotten raw beef (pork is another good red meat btw, and often cheaper than beef) before introduce it gradually. Then once he's used to it you can put it in wherever in teh diet works for you.

Pork... The other white meat. Again, not trying to troll, but pork is not red meat.
 

ruthcatrin

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Pork... The other white meat. Again, not trying to troll, but pork is not red meat.

Pork is red meat, sales slogans don't count as research sorry


I wasn't trolling. I came on this forum for a bit of advice on a local vet and happened to see the raw feeding question posted by ruthcarin. I chimed in with my 2 cents, because I've been raw feeding my dogs for years and would consider myself an expert of sorts on the matter. Ruthcarin then lambasted me for not providing a varied enough diet that was devoid of proper nutrients and vitamins. It offended me. My intent was only to make the raw feeders in this thread understand that the best spot to get your dog raw food is at your local butcher and not from these expensive specialty companies. First off, the meat is fresher, and I think we can all agree that is a good thing. Secondly, it will cost you a fraction of what it would buying it online or ordering it from a pet food specialty company. A lot of people are turned off by the expense of raw feeding, and that's a shame because it can be much more affordable than people think. I raw feed a 235 lb. male AM on less than $150/month, and he's very healthy. For a dog that size, that's cheaper than a kibble only diet.... Again, wasn't trying to troll

If your stated meal plan is how you feed your dog you are NOT feeding your dog anywhere near enough of a very wide selection of nutrients, DO SOME RESEARCH into what you're feeding your dog.

If you'd actually READ the posts you'd see that I was posting about getting EXTRAS, such as RABBIT HEADS. NOT prepackaged raw.

If you'd bothered to read the forum you'd find that we regularly help raw feeders find all sorts of alternatives to help keep the costs down, but what you're doing is bad for your dog, low cost or not. A PROPERLY BALANCED raw diet (not your randomly made up "cheap" one) is not the cheapest diet you can feed your dog, that is HONESTY.

I find your complete lack of concern over balancing your dog's raw diet worrisome, and the fact that you apparently are so lacking in concern that you'll attempt to sell this diet to others HIGHLY offensive. Seriously, thats the sort of raw diet that has resulted in scores of vets and vet nutritionists turned against raw.
 
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Pork is red meat, sales slogans don't count as research sorry




If your stated meal plan is how you feed your dog you are NOT feeding your dog anywhere near enough of a very wide selection of nutrients, DO SOME RESEARCH into what you're feeding your dog.

If you'd actually READ the posts you'd see that I was posting about getting EXTRAS, such as RABBIT HEADS. NOT prepackaged raw.

If you'd bothered to read the forum you'd find that we regularly help raw feeders find all sorts of alternatives to help keep the costs down, but what you're doing is bad for your dog, low cost or not. A PROPERLY BALANCED raw diet (not your randomly made up "cheap" one) is not the cheapest diet you can feed your dog, that is HONESTY.

I find your complete lack of concern over balancing your dog's raw diet worrisome, and the fact that you apparently are so lacking in concern that you'll attempt to sell this diet to others HIGHLY offensive. Seriously, thats the sort of raw diet that has resulted in scores of vets and vet nutritionists turned against raw.

I'm the troll... You're rediculous lady. You never even read my original post before blasting me. Chicken is the base of his diet and he gets all sorts of odds and ends that my butcher can provide my very inexpensively. He also can free graze on as much kibble as he wants (TOTW - bison).

You know what's highly offensive... Your pompous know-it-all attitude. You sound more like you should own a couple dozen cats instead of a dog. I haven't seen any posts regarding inexpensive raw feeding, but then again if you look at how many posts I've made, I've only just started to come to this forum. While you might have taken offense to my first post, it was not intended to be offensive (as I explained my motivs in another reply). While you might be an experienced user of this site, that makes you more of an expert on computers than Mastiffs. I Don't see how your dog's getting proper exercise with you sitting in front of that computer all day... 2800 posts in less than a year! Do you have a job or is this it?

Dogs are like kids. You and I can differ greatly in our opinion of how to raise them, but we're entitled to our opinion. No one can tell you how to raise your kids, right? I simply made the suggestion of getting meat from your butcher and not getting sucked into buying expensive, more exotic meats. It was a well intentioned piece of advice. In return you've been vicious toward me for no reason. Just because some dogs have allergies to chicken, doesn't mean they all do. As a matter of fact, most dogs tolerate chicken quite well when fed it from a young age and raw. Some dogs, like mine, can actually thrive off of this diet. Chicken is great protein for dogs because it is so lean. Red meats and darker white meats are higher in fat and being that large breed dogs are notorious for having hip/joint problems as they get older, I've decided that a lean diet is best for my dog. He does get the occasional piece fish/fish skin to supplement proper fatty acids. My dog gets a diet based on his needs and activity level that keep him lean, healthy, and happy.

If you have any further opinion please resist that overwhelming urge you have to reply and have the last word. I don't care. No one else is reading this thread and we obviously have differing opinions. The difference is that I can acknowledge that while unnecessary, your diet has its merits, but you just blindly slam me for mine.
 

angelbears

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I'm not Ruth but I do feel obliged to answer your post. I'm sure Ruth will too.

I get that you feel you are being attacked. However, your post was poorly written and at first glance most of us took from it that you could feed a diet of nothing but chicken quarters. Sorry, that just is not true. Just like your statement that pork is a white meat. When things are posted that are wrong, it needs to be corrected.

You say that no one is looking at this thread anymore. Wrong again! There have been over 500 views and someone was viewing it when I popped in. People come here for help and we should strive to give out correct information. I have been corrected on here before and I'm sure I will be again.
 
You can all correct each other as much as you want, but realize that you don't always have the right information. You act informed, but fail to provide any facts. Simply saying that chicken thighs do not provide enough nutrients does not suffice. Do you realize that in the wild dogs obtain their protein from mostly one source? They don't eat duck necks one day and calf liver the next. Raw diets like that are made for the owner... Not the dog. It makes you feel better about their diet, but that's because you assume that like a human a dog likes to have a varied diet, but in nature fido would much rather prey on the most accessible protein source than the widest variety.

What was so poorly written... Seems pretty self explanitory to me as I clearly stated that my dogs primary protein is chicken thigh. I supplement this with an egg every week and other tidbits that I pick up from the butcher. I also allow free grazing on kibble. That was not poorly written... Just poorly received. Somehow you all read: "I feed my dog only chicken." not that I care what you think, but sometimes you need to inform ignorant people of their ignorance.

No need to reply again as this will be my last post. I got the answer that I came here for anyway. The problem with these Internet forums is all you losers think you're an expert. When really you're just a bunch of ###holes.
 
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Kujo

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I have a 5 month old ddb, so far he shows very little interest in his kibble, he doesn't over eat or under eat, but I feel like he really doesn't enjoy his kibble (we use Premium Edge, lamb and rice). I'm considering the raw food diet, but would like some feed back from other owners who have been doing this for a while. When you made the transition, was there a significant change? Did it help your dogs overall health, or just improve their appetite? If you had health issues before the change, did switching to raw help those health issues?

I appreciate any and all feed back, I just want to give Kujo the healthiest shot at life.

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Oh yeah...sorry to interrupt the squabbling...I'm knew the forums and blogs, but I thought this was supposed to be more about exchange of information, not squabbling like in chat rooms. Just saying...
 

Kujo

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Oh yeah...sorry to interrupt the squabbling...I'm knew to forums and blogs, but I thought this was supposed to be more about exchange of information, not squabbling like in chat rooms. Just saying...