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So I'm Considering a Dogue de Bordeaux

Naamah

Member
Been doing a bunch of research on the various mastiff breeds, and I'm really liking what I'm reading about the Bordeaux.

I'm aware of the short lifespans :( and the drool and the size. I've read a bunch of stuff on various websites, but a lot of it is essentially the same thing paraphrased over and over and over again. Size, drool, short lives...

Surely there is more to this breed than that, so tell me. Good, bad, ugly, let me know what I might be getting myself in for. Tell me why this is the best breed ever. Tell me why I should avoid this breed like the plague. Tell me why you have lost your heart to a Dogue. I want to hear IRL experiences from IRL owners. I want to know how deep the pond is before I jump in.

A bit about me: I live out in the country on a couple acres in Georgia. I have a young son, a Doberman, and a Feist. I have past experience with the delightfully stubborn Bull Terrier, as well as a Boxer/pit mix.
 

Ajizy

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There extremely loyal dogs. They will literally follow you everywhere. Do your research again, again, again, again... get my drift, on breeders before getting one. They have a lot of health issues. Best dog I've ever had, but can be costly if health issues arise. ..uploadfromtaptalk1404336842354.jpg here's my boy at about 13 weeks.
 

Kujo

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wow...where to start....I think I could write a novel at this point as to why I'm now head over heels in love with this breed.

I always wanted a dog, didn't really care what kind, just wanted a pet to love and spoil. When I picked up Kujo it was pretty much love at first sight, there was another puppy available, but Kujo wouldn't leave my side and kept sitting on my feet, so of course I picked him lol. Since then he's been the most amazing dog I could have ever hoped for. Pretty damn easy to train, he's crazy smart and picked up what I was teaching him very fast, and never forgets any of it. INCLUDING teaching him to not chew on things that aren't his (to this day he has not destroyed a single thing of mine, or my boyfriends, NOTHING. and he has been home alone with free reign of the house for hours). The whole drool thing is far more manageable than people make out, at least for me anyway. Kujo really only drools after meal times and after a good drink of water and after treats and on really hot days. Sounds like a lot...but when 75% of the time he is sleeping, it really isn't that bad. Personality is amazing, he makes me laugh every day, and I think he does it on purpose at this point. He is very tuned into me and very much protective of me...but only when he feels like he has to be protective, and most of the time that isn't the case. But I have seen him put on his guardian face and go into full on protection/alert mode, it's something else. He loves most people, and is quick to accept new people that we introduce him to. But if you come into our gate without an invitation and he has never met you, he will not let you move until I have "approved" of you first. (also seen this in action, pretty awesome stuff, especially since he really wasn't being crazy attack dog aggressive, just very clearly preventing the visitor from coming any closer to the house). Gets along with most dogs..doesn't do to well with other intact males., but he loves all the bitches. He's pretty fearless, there's a lot of discussions on here about fear stages, I don't think Kujo ever went through one...if he was unsure of something we would just give him the chance to smell it, and he always would, then he was over it. Pretty confident dude. Kujo is not a runner, which is something I appreciate every day when I see other dogs getting loose and just taking off. We can have our gate open and he will not leave the yard, he just has no interest in being anywhere where we aren't.

I'm rambling...

ok, one more thing I want to share: a DDB will pick one person in the family that they will make a very close bond with. If that's you, prepare to be followed, prepare to be protected, prepare to be entertained, and prepare to be so unconditionally loved you will wonder what the hell you did to deserve it.

So much more I could say and share...but it really just comes back to I'm in love with this breed. :)
 

mcarrel

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Stubborn at times eager to please at others. Mouthy as a puppy even at 9 months with training. Now at two years old he still gets a hair up his his butt and gets really excited jumping around like a fool mostly when I get home but sometimes just out of the blue. While he tries his best to avoid actually making contact with me while jumping sometimes he plows into me lol. When he dis this in his awkward teenage phase he would plow into me which forced his mouth to clamp shut I had bruises on my butt, belly thighs etc and these were accidental lol

Raising your voice doesn't work at all with either dogue I have had it just makes them less likely to obey lol. Not to mention the look they give you when you blurt out something in a louder voice makes you feel like you just broke their heart. Get past the soft spot you will have for that look quickly or they will walk all over you. They do a
chuffing growling thing (hard to describe) that if you aren't aware of you may mistake for aggression (other owners have) coupled with the fact they like to charge at you while doing it can be unnerving for some I guess. Always under foot Kronos's favorite place to lie is on my feet,on my lap, directly behind wherever I am standing, basically any place under my feet or on top of me. I cannot go to the bathroom alone without making a mad dash to the door and closing it in his face before he gets there to shove his way in. Lately I have given up and resigned myself to having company in the bathroom ;)

Worst thing you can do to a dogue is ignore them they don't like it and some will tell you so. Although generally they are the quietest dog I have ever owned unless there is a reason to make themselves heard. Knowing they don't like to be ignored becomes a valuable tool for training imo because say he gets too rowdy and doesn't want to settle down ignoring them in time out say in a crate til they calm down works quickly. On the other hand while relegated to his crate as a puppy Kronos has been known to let out such a pitiful yowling that it sounds like he is under torture.

Rare that it takes any amount of time for him to learn a command (whether he decides to follow it at the moment I ask him to is another story)and sometimes you will be in public and feel incredibly stupid while your baby blithely ignores all his training lol Dogues are incredibly smart don't let their face fool you. They are one of the most observant dogs I have ever seen. Many times the word human like comes into the best way to describe a dogue and their actions and even facial expressions. This sounds bizarre but I have had friends and even strangers say it out of the blue as well.

They are vigilant even when you think they aren't. Kronos can be snoring away but the minute I get up he is up. I have noticed male dogues are especially fond of the females in their house. This is the case with both I have had. I can't say if it's true of females since I have never had one. This is not to say they aren't affectionate with other family members but he follows me around like I am the only one home.

Both I have had are great with kids. Neither one I have had have a outgoing temperament toward new people, neither were interested in seeking pets from strangers, they do warm up with welcome visitors but not to the point were they seek out a lot attention from them and both my dogs were socialized well. I would say they sort of care less if visitors pet them or not this exception to this with Kronos is small children and very old people he loves them :D and walks around them very gently.

On the other hand, they love to be touched, petted scratched talked to by their family I can't express how much they love attention from their family but they aren't in your face about it (other than the stare lol) more like they love it when you do dote on them but are happy just to be near you as well.

Both I have had on the other hand do like kids and like them a lot. Even as a puppy running around in hyper mode barreling into me with no worries Kronos has skidded to halt before barreling over my friends toddler who ran into his way.

They can be bullies by that I mean they will try to dominate other pets in your house and sometimes humans that aren't confident lol. Both my males will try to dominate the female dogs in the house as well not just another male. Neither male I have had was trustworthy with other male dogs. That doesn't mean Kronos is actively looking for an altercation but I can see from his body language he wouldn't welcome a sniff from the other male. Some though have said their male dogues get along with other male dogs fine.

Kronos's dominance extends to things as well. He thinks everything belongs to him and had to be taught that it doesn't. For example as a puppy he didn't like to share his floppy toys with my other dog unless he initiated play with her. To keep her from getting the toy he has literally tried to swallow it, rather than share it, if he saw her coming. On the other hand he could care less if a human stole his treat, toy, bone whatever.

My first male was very active even in his adulthood his companion was a 35 lb APBT who he played all day long. Kronos is pretty active as well he has always loved to play fetch and still does at 2 years now. He still loves his fuzzy toys too and loves to bring them to me to play. Interestingly he has never destroyed any of his soft toys. Some on the other hand are big couch potatoes. Granted they aren't labs but some are pretty active.

You want to be sure you don't let them over exercise in the heat obviously. When the weather hits 75 here in Texas he slows down a lot and the AC is always on for baby lol

They are creature of habit so treat them and train them from puppy-hood the same as you plan to do as an adult. In other words you play with them have an active lifestyle as pups they tend to remain that way later. Teach them manners early: a big one is the mouthing! They bite
incredibly hard they can break skin and bruise you badly w/o meaning to do so, even as puppies. Getting them out of mouthing and teaching soft until they get out of that phase is important. Soft is the most useful word Kronos ever learned even now he likes to hold my hand in his mouth no idea why (almost like it comforts him) but he does at times. Another thing that came in handy for Kronos was jumping for joy was ok but jumping for joy at me for a pet wasn't so he learned to turn side ways to get his I am home pet. This comes in handy when they are very happy to see you.

They snore LOUD not always on full volume but it can be cringe worthy. They drool especially when something smells good, or they just had a nice amount of water which they can handily trap quite a bit of in their pocket jowls. I feed raw now but with my first dogue who ate dog food the gross factor was enhanced when he had the mashed up dog food and slime combo going on then wiped his face on you. Some days I go to the store look down at my shirt and realize it looks like I blew my nose on it lol.

Did I mention their face is so cute and smushy:

I can't pass by Kronos without touching him and I can quite often be found grabbing his skin on either side of his face and planting a big kiss on his smushy face and I am not a dog kissing kind of person. I absolutely adore him. This is no exageration, I have loved all my dogs in the past but Kronos has turned me into a doddering dog kissing old lady lol. He lays next to me watching a movie and 20 min later I realize I have no idea what just happened bc I was doting on him again. If I hold my arms open he comes for a hug he even likes a hug before he will eat. He won't eat unless I am in the room I have left him his dinner in the crate when I run errands hours later the food is still there and the minute he sees me he eats. Sometimes on seeing this I say "geez no wonder you guys almost went extinct" lol

Food wise I feed raw and even though I kept him lean, during growth spurts he consumed 5lbs a day sometimes more. I estimated grain free quality kibble once for him before going to raw and got a tally of about $160+ a month during growing others who feed kibble could tell you better than me how correct that is. That was for Acana so I am sure it varies widely. Grooming is minimal I clip his nails and because he eats raw he doesn't smell and I think he gets a bath about once every 5 months. I use a kong bathing finger brush thing to slick through his coat every now and then. He's never had skin or ear issues probably because he eats raw but who knows.

You do want to grow them slow and keep them lean. Even with that and feeding raw Kronos is had nasty bouts with pano. He also went down in the pasterns quite a few times while his ligaments were growing. Raising a mastiff puppy can be nerve wracking (as I am sure many here can attest) I drove my family nuts whenever I saw a limp, gag, strange shudder, etc or anything out of the ordinary They are very front heavy dogs so it's especially important you don't let them do a lot of front impact things jumping, up and down stairs rapidly etc while they are growing.

Now for the sad. This breed has issues. Their longevity or lack thereof is disheartening. This isn't backyard bred non health tested dogs I am talking but dogs from good breeders/lines. Many don't make it past 5 or 6 years and some far less than that. My advice when you start looking for your dog don't just ask about health testing etc. ask how long their line lives or do the research yourself. Heart problems are not uncommon cause of death in this breed even from tested lines. Cancer is an issue too. Once you have settled on breeders research some more and ask them about any and everything don't be shy good breeders want you to ask questions and be informed.

So now that I have typed my mini novel I will just add dogues are wonderful you will absolutly fall in love with them they are like no other IMHO(I am sure everyone on here feels the same about their breed though :D ) Good luck and post lots of pics when you bring your new baby home
 

NYDDB

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Hmmm. Pretty much what Kujo and others have said. :)

I am also in love with this breed, and it's hard to put into words, really. There is something almost human about them- very tuned into you and your feelings (as a lot of dogs are), but the difference with Dogues that I have experienced, is that they will actively DO something to try and help.

For example, when I have been feeling sick- or once, even just really depressed- and curled up on the couch, Mateo sees that something is wrong and will climb up and literally lay over me like a blanket, with his nose next to mine (to make sure I'm breathing?). Now, I have curled up on the couch in the exact positions before, not feeling "off", and he will do nothing. This has hppened 3 times, and each time I am so amazed....(btw, he usually doesn't get on the couch, even by himself.)

What else... He is a very social guy, patient and even happy sometimes with all the attention he gets (note: be prepared for that!), good with people in general. However, at night, especially, he is very "guardy" and there are times he will stand rooted to the ground until a person he feels is suspicious, passes us...giving him a stare down the whole time. Living in a big city- I appreciate that.

I also don't remember Mateo going through any "fear stage." However, I do remember the challenging "teenage" stage. I gave him a bit too much freedom and did not use my wise judgement in a few instances, and he got into a couple of dog fights. No, he did not start them, but was hell-bent on finishing them. Remember, these are powerful dogs! These happened during his teen phase; not really a problem now (although he is more guarded and wary of other large, intact males- or large males that get in his face.) But he has more tolerance than he did when younger--and he and I have put some work into it together. Training is key.

Super love bugs...and they love physical attention! Oh, and the stare. Mateo will sit and just stare at me...the stare that has no end, LOL.

I'm not sure about other DDBs, but Mateo is quiet, to the point of being practically mute. He does not bark when someone rings the bell, but will put himself physically between myself and the other person, until I tell him to back away. Every once in a blue moon, if provoked by another dog aggressively barking at him, he will respond back. But it's rare (which I actually appreciate.) I like quiet.

And it's true about their sense of humor. They have it- and it must be in their DNA, because everybody I know that has one, talks about it. And they will use it to make you laugh, for sure. :D

The short life span sucks. But I am not sure that would dissuade me from getting another Dogue in the future. They are a special breed...
 

NYDDB

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Just thought of a couple more things.

My DDB has no possessiveness whatsoever. Not with food, toys...nothing. Even though he appreciates a good game of tug, he'll drop it in a second if I ask.

As like Kujo, Mateo never destroyed anything as a puppy (or adult), for which I am grateful!

Easy to train, even though they are stubborn! I taught Mateo to "heel" in a couple of days. I don't use it often, but when I do, he falls right into heel position until I say "okay, free."

Okay...I could go on and on as well. I think I hit the major points. :)
 

Naamah

Member
omg it's a book lol sorry and no idea why some is bold

Novel though it may be, that's exactly the sort of info I was looking for. A dog of any breed is a big responsibility, and a giant breed even more so, and I want to make sure before getting one that it is really a good fit for both us and that we are a good fit for it.
 

Th0r

Well-Known Member
My guy is only half DDB but his temperament is spot on as everyone has described except the not destroying anything part!
We'll chalk that off to his BM side...

Sent from my Nexus 5
 

mcarrel

Well-Known Member
My guy is only half DDB but his temperament is spot on as everyone has described except the not destroying anything part!
We'll chalk that off to his BM side...

Sent from my Nexus 5
Haha my first ddb was destructive as a youngster I left him in my room once when company came over he literally ate through the top of my matress and made himself a hole to lay in Thankfully he outgrew it.

NYDDB is right about the sense of humor they certainly have one and it will keep you laughing. She is also correct that as dis-heartening as I find their avg lifespan to be I don't think it will keep me from getting another. They bring so much joy into your life
 

mcarrel

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Geez I forgot some other stuff (as unbelievable as it seems) They breath loud if that sort of thing bothers you I have had people on the phone ask me " if I was ok or just worked out" bc they could hear Kronos and thought it was me lol

Also Kronos has very little food motivation. That doesn't mean he won't take a treat but affection and attention more than food get faster training results for me.
 

NYDDB

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Geez I forgot some other stuff (as unbelievable as it seems) They breath loud if that sort of thing bothers you I have had people on the phone ask me " if I was ok or just worked out" bc they could hear Kronos and thought it was me lol

Also Kronos has very little food motivation. That doesn't mean he won't take a treat but affection and attention more than food get faster training results for me.

LOL on the breathing thing. The snoring, too. It is what it is. :)

Totally agree with the non-food motivation aspect. As big as he is, Mateo is simply not that interested in food. Even when I have his food ready, he will wait awhile before ambling over to perform the necessary duty of taking in nourishment.

Once, a street vendor grilled up some fresh pieces of meat (no spices) just for Mateo, and he wouldn't take it-- just turned away.

So, yeah, praise and attention is what i used for training...or if i was lucky enough to find that one in a million treat that turned him on.
 

2nd Chance

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I have a different bordeaux to those mentioned above. Mine was put on a chain at 10 weeks of age, to guard a car breakers yard. And spent his first year, with a heroin addict car dealer. Never even seen another dog, increadibly intimidating, totally out of control. Aggressive to his own owner when i picked him up.
That was 1 yr ago now. He's just coming up 2 we think.

Mine had to be trained a LOT and FAST. We live in a nature reserve with cows, horses, roos, a lake filled with breeding water bird species such as pelicans, swans, geese etc. So yeah, like a said, a steep learning curve. My first post on here, was that he had to learn, not to want to kill animals, not to chase or scare the breeding water birds. Be nice to geese, horses, cows etc.

He clocked those lessons in first 3 months.
Now bomb proof around all wildlife on property.
He's loud and viscious sounding when door knocks. He's a gaurd dog alright. But happy to take my lead to stand down, then wants to be friends with everyone.

He lives with 2 working dogs, a rottie and a GSD. So he learnt to be as fast as them, as active as them, and copies them a lot. Toilet training has been hard, which i believe is rare. He will still pee on the deck occasionally, and if i lock him in house, will pee by back door if cant get out.

He has attached himself equally to me and my husband. But its my leg his big head is on mainly. He wont work for food, wont work for praise, wont work for lures. Id never trained a mastiff, only working sheep dogs. He was a massive challenge which i was up for, i thought. Ive re socialised dog/dog aggressive dogs before, but nothing, and i mean nothing, will change his mind, that my son in law, is dodgy, and needs to be gotten out of proximity to me. Does not like him one bit, and stubborn about it. Will lunge for him, if not managed during these visits. my son in law looks very similarto Brians' first owner; tall skinny, with hoody on young adult male image. He has issues i guess.

He's a big softy, and loves our busy extended family, as every human walks through the door carrying to hands to stroke him with. As mentioned by others, a slave to physical affection.
You can send him into a coma mid stride, by sliding your hand over his head, he'll freeze mid stride, till you've finished, then carry on about his business.

He's a crap hunter. Loves the chase, he hunts with my other 2, who work very closely as a team on rabbits. One will cover the escape, whilst the other chases. Brian buggers there system up everytime, with his jumping the dog that has its nose down a hole for a rumble on the deck.

He's as dumb as a post, in comparison to a rottie or a GSD, like learning difficulties special dumb as a post.

I adore working dogs; sheep herding, lure coursing, tracking, training in drive, schutzhund is where i like to play with my dogs. Brian the bordeaux? well, he comes for the trip, and the enterainment value. As he's so stupid. and a club favourite for the entertainment factor in these scenarios.

I have no idea what this breed is supposed to be good at. I cant find a job he's good at. We are about to embark on tracking, as that seems to be a skill he has, always got his nose on the ground sniffing. But loses concentration real fast, like some ADD dog?

So lots of love to give, endearing and get under your skin and into your heart fast. Because, they look human. The wrinkles, of which mine has many, are very simean in nature. Take a look at a ape face, and a bordeaux's face, and you'll see what i mean.
there is a very humanness to their face.

I personally believe they were given such an endearing face and a dog sense of humor, as they have many negative features like drooling. My dogs drewling is seriously disgusting. I hate it. Thick rope like gobs over everything that doesnt move in this house.

Every surface gets covered in it. I hate hate hate it.
But when i ask for botox from the vet, he laughs thinking im joking? im not.
 

marke

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God bless you for saving a dog 2nd chance , i'd say pretty much you got a "kennel dumb" dog , like a puppymill dog locked in kennel for it's existence ,it does affect their development . what they were meant to be good at was killing animals , they will fight , it's not a bluff , at least none I've had were bluffing ........ they should be very people friendly , trusting and eager to please .....they're real good at reading people , cues.......I haven't had to housebreak one since my first one in 1992 , given a dog door they housebreak themselves real young ........ quiet unless they got a reason , let them know it's OK and they're done with it ..... I've had quite few were excellent hunters , I've woken up to about every kind of animal that lives around here dead in my kitchen . I find they listen real well ......
 

marke

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Kennel dumb? That's a new one...

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a dog raised lacking in the mental stimulation to develop normally ...... ever see a dog passed around from "breeder" to "breeder" for no other reason than to be bred ? some become down right neurotic .........
 

Kayty

Member
My DDB is 9 months now, and I wouldn't have any other breed. He is my baby!!

I grew up with border collies which are very loyal dogs, but they have nothing on my DDB. Hugo follows me everywhere, if I go to the bathroom he will sit by the door and wait for me.
When I go to bed, he comes in, puts his nose in my face and has a cuddle, then goes back to his bed. Without fail, every night!

He is the cuddliest dog I've ever had, LOVES physical attention and will sit right on my feet until he gets some love. And those wrinkles and smooshy face!!!! I do the same as the above, grab the wrinkles and kiss that gorgeous smooshy button nose :)

He couldn't care less about food - little kids can sit with him while he eats and he doesn't worry at all. I can take his bone away and he just sits and looks at me sadly, making me feel like a bully for taking it.

He likes his super bouncy ball toy, so much so that it goes everywhere with him. It lives in his bed - when he's done playing he picks it up and puts it in his bed! When he drinks, his ball often ends up in the bucket and it takes him 10 mins to fish it out again haha

The drool is not bad really, Hugo drools when I hand feed him treats when training, after drinking or when he exercises. Otherwise no drool so it's easily managed.

The snoring!!!! Initially it drove me crazy and kept me awake... No it's comforting hearing him snoring away :)
When he's happy he grunts, makes me laugh every time :)

He doesn't say much at all, when I get home from work he'll cry at the gate waiting to see me - I have to give him a smooch before I do anything else or he gets upset. It takes a lot for him to build up to a bark, usually he'll just make low rumbles and it'll build up to one of two low pitched barks. He tends to just stare and puff himself up more than bark.
Once he's met someone once and realises that they are friendly with me, he doesn't bat an eyelid when they come over.

I happily leave him inside on his own for hours, I know he'll just sleep and not destroy! I'm a shift worker so being able to leave him in while I'm on night shift is great.


They really are such beautiful dogs, I would love to get a second. They love their human unconditionally and are incredibly loyal.
I have just gone through a break up of a 5 yr relationship, and having Hugo home with me gives me a great source of company, he's my best buddy :)
 

Naamah

Member
Thank you so much, everyone.

I really appreciate the input. I've talked to a breeder located near me in Vidalia, GA (http://www.excaliburbordeauxs.com/), and will hopefully get to meet her dogues in the near future. I feel that meeting the breed (preferably several different dogs) in person (outside of a show environment) is an important part of deciding whether a breed is right for us.

Anyone have any experience with this breeder or her dogs?
 

misscaine

New Member
Hello. I've been reading all these wonderful comments, remembering my beautiful best friend Caine, who had to be put to sleep in December last year, 6 weeks before his 11th birthday :(
That boy was my life, I loved him like a child, despite the snoring, drooling, hair & amount of time I spent at the vets! This brings me on to the point of this post; my experience with health problems (although he got to a good age!) was immense...
Firstly, he was a very fussy eater, and fraught with tummy problems (loose stools etc) and at around 9 months old he started with skin problems. Itchiness & red spots mostly, and we tried everything from cutting out certain food groups to treating for mange. I even saw a lady who provided 'alternative' therapy! In the end I found a food that suited him (although he was really only bothered about food when I got my second dog 4 years ago!) and saw a skin specialist who ascertained he had pretty bad allergies. So we started him on desensitising injections every month. This was coupled with most summer months spent on antibiotics. We also found out he had an under active thyroid (which can affect the skin) so he was on tablets from then on for that, plus blood tests every 6 months...
During this time, he had his first knee operation, to mend a torn cruciate ligament, I think he was around 2 / 3 years old. His other knee went at 9 years old, so another op then too!! Consequently Physiotherapy played a part in his later years...
He had to be castrated at 7 as he had something wrong with his prostate, which was a harrowing experience as he had started ejecting blood out of his penis, poor thing!
These are just the main issues but when I look back, the list is endless! Saying this, I wouldn't have changed him for the world! What I am trying to say is, if your Dogue develops any problems (which they can), be prepared to shell out a lot of money. The cost of medication alone is extortionate for giant breeds, especially when they have as many problems as my boy did!
I would be interested to hear what health problems anybody else has had too.


Charlotte