Sometimes consistent discipline sucks

[tmricciuto]

Hahaha. Right. Well I've not been the best leader, and the husband isn't good at all so now we are working on really establishing me as the boss and it's been not so much fun but we are making slow progress


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[Nik]

You have less than 2 seconds to praise or correct a behavior. After that you've lost the opportunity. The reason your dog is being "stubborn" is because it works for them. Dogs will do what works. Simple as that. You can use any kind of "voice" you want to but if your dog isn't listening it isn't working. No need to get frustrated. Your dog knows what you know and it knows what you don't. You can fake it with your dog. They will let you know what you're doing right and wrong.


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Season I hear you and get what you are saying and believe me I do react to the behavior immediately. In my situation though you are incorrect. Stubborn does not work for Diesel. Not ever. Which is why he obeys me 90% of the time. He is, however a 9 month old puppy and he is 1/2 DDB and on top of that he is a stubborn butt.. Not because it works but because that's who he is. He knows it doesn't work which is why when i go out to make him come in it doesn't take anything more than a hand lightly placed in his collar to get him to follow me in. There is no confusion in our house as to who is boss. It just requires the occasional reminder as he gets it in his head to test me every now and then. I assume he thinks I may have hanged my mind about the rules and is just checking.

And you might think he only remembers second to second and that is what the trainers and the books etc say and I certainly train with that in mind but I have to tell you he definitely acts as though he remembers much longer. For example on this occasion after I made him "earn" his walk he had one of his best walks ever. He was even able to ignore the temptations of multiple people and multiple dogs including yappy confrontational dogs. These are all things we have and are still working on. I believe he was even better behaved because of the delay and the reminder that all good things have to be earned. In other words, he tested his boundaries and found them to still be firmly in place and was a wonderful lovely dog afterwards as a result.


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[Nik]

I love this thread.

Oh the stubborn Mastiff.......I'm not sure but I think it's tattooed on Lincs brain lol
Just over the past week he has become so Flippin bad. He sits his arse down and I seriously think I hear him say "No, make me"

He has found his old love of rocks again and he defies me every step of the way when he has one. He won't come or drop it unless I have a super high reward. Surf and turf kinda reward.
Oh did I mention he owns my ass. He has learned through rock chewing that if he waits me out there is gonna be something amazing in his mouth.......damn smart dog.
Gotta change my tactics before "come" turns into "run"

Thanks for the ideas

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I actually have some advice on the "come command". Not sure how helpful it will be as you might already be doing this. But I have a few variations of the "come" command per my instructors advice. We have a casual come command which basically means I would like you to come over to me but it's not super important so you can take your time. That one is "commere". We have "come" which means come and I mean it. We have "come now" which is a step even more serious and I expect immediate response. And an emergency ultra serious recall command "danger!" For that one he has to immediately stop and run to me as fast as he can. We have "danger" down 100% of the time and that was on the test to pass out of our last training level anything other than immediate compliance was a fail. But danger has to be reserved for important situations only and is always heavily rewarded. He knows that one is deadly serious. Anyhow it might sound strange but for us having multiple variations of recall command and level of seriousness has made a hug difference. Our trainer recommended 3 levels but 4 levels works for us.


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[babyjoemurphy]

I have taught "stop" to Linc. I use it for when we are out of the fence in area. I taught him "stop" when we lived in the city and he knew it meant not to take another step. Maybe I can use this already instilled word and add another to have him come to me

Thanks for the help

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[season]

"You can fake it with your dog." Did you mean, "can't?" Otherwise, I am curious as to what you mean...

Yes, can't. My bad.


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[season]

I actually have some advice on the "come command". Not sure how helpful it will be as you might already be doing this. But I have a few variations of the "come" command per my instructors advice. We have a casual come command which basically means I would like you to come over to me but it's not super important so you can take your time. That one is "commere". We have "come" which means come and I mean it. We have "come now" which is a step even more serious and I expect immediate response. And an emergency ultra serious recall command "danger!" For that one he has to immediately stop and run to me as fast as he can. We have "danger" down 100% of the time and that was on the test to pass out of our last training level anything other than immediate compliance was a fail. But danger has to be reserved for important situations only and is always heavily rewarded. He knows that one is deadly serious. Anyhow it might sound strange but for us having multiple variations of recall command and level of seriousness has made a hug difference. Our trainer recommended 3 levels but 4 levels works for us.


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Come should mean come. Period. Not 3 or 4 variations. My opinion.


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[Nik]

Come should mean come. Period. Not 3 or 4 variations. My opinion.


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Somehow I knew you would say so ;-)
Yes it should and it does but our variations let him know how quickly it needs to happen and how serious we are about it. "Commere" is a request not a command and the rest are commands with varying levels of speed involved. A walk over is sufficient for a normal. "Come" a come now is a faster pace and a danger is a sprint. Typically I don't require or want a sprint but with "danger" I do. I find it useful to be able to give him more info as to what I need from him.


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[season]

For me my info is this. If I say come I want you to come. Now. If I want you to sit I want you to sit now. I like to keep it simple.


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[season]

I find it useful that Solo follows through with my commands. If you can get your dog to follow 3-4 different variations of the same command 100% of the time then more power to you.


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[season]

Less is more in my book.


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[karennj]

I have 3 variations with Bear. I have the "come on" like we are going somewhere so follow me. Usually I use it when going for a walk, hike or a ride in the car. I have "come" which means come to front and wait for further information. Then we have "here" which means stop in your tracks and run back to me as soon as possible which is only reserved for special situations.

 

[Yamizuma]

I took the trick from someone else on the forum. When I say come I have a treat hidden in my hand behind my back. Whoever (Bella) chooses to sit on the grass and not come doesn't get the treat. She always comes when she see's Sage eating the treat but no praise for not listening. and if they don't drop what's in their mouth when I say out they get me going into the mouth...and they pretty much hate that.

And that's why I use cheese and hot dogs as training treats. I'm going to eat the treat if the dogue is in I can't hear you and don't care mode. Then I get this face....you, YOU ATE MY TREAT? wHAAAAAT!

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[Nik]

And that's why I use cheese and hot dogs as training treats. I'm going to eat the treat if the dogue is in I can't hear you and don't care mode. Then I get this face....you, YOU ATE MY TREAT? wHAAAAAT!

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I love this photo!!! So adorable and hilarious


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[Nik]

I have 3 variations with Bear. I have the "come on" like we are going somewhere so follow me. Usually I use it when going for a walk, hike or a ride in the car. I have "come" which means come to front and wait for further information. Then we have "here" which means stop in your tracks and run back to me as soon as possible which is only reserved for special situations.

I have one like your first variation but it's "let's go"


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[EverythingEnglishMastiff]

I have to admit I use all 4 depending on the situation. They each have a pretty specific tone of voice though. I think tone and body language is what really conveys your message to your dog.

 

[Nik]

I have to admit I use all 4 depending on the situation. They each have a pretty specific tone of voice though. I think tone and body language is what really conveys your message to your dog.

The tone of voice thing and body language is definitely true. They are all a little different for sure.


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