this is my first whelping

[dujac]

You know you could of put your own dogs life at risk breeding her?

stop attacking me and asking stupid questions

if you can't give constructive input or ask constructive questions, the don't ask any questions

I doubt you are even doing proper examination of who you are giving these puppies to!

you don't know what you're talking about

I guess this just pisses me off because we lost our bulldog because of a breeder like you…

hello, earth to bonesnsasha, i'm not a breeder

Dujac, no one was attacking, trust me…

i don't trust you at all now, just the opposite and i feel very much attacked

I just thought it was odd that a vet wouldn't do a test.

i plan to show the vet your response and get an answer for you

lolita at chambord - 2001

 

[Smart_Family]

No one's attacking you. The majority of the people on this forum are incredibly passionate about animals and want the best for them. Some people like Bonesnsasha have issues because like she mentioned they lost a dog because of a similar situation. Obviously this litter is already on the ground and nothing can be done about that. I think perhaps it's time to move on to other discussions being that the puppies are already born. No one is going to pat you on the back for this litter but I only hope that all the dogs grow into healthy adults and that if you decide to breed again in the future you do consider doing the health testing to ensure the best future for your pups.

 

[bonesnsasha]

You aren't a breeder ok but your welping puppies! Whatever. I think all-in-all you really should of thought about this breeding a little more. I agree with Smart though just please do a little more research and get testing done! I was not trying to attack you. I had a bad expierence with people who had no clue what they were doing and ended up spending oodles in vet bills and having a beloved pet pass away. (Bad on my part for even getting the pup) In way of helping I don't know much about the mom's diet really sorry! I know plain yogurt can be given and cottage cheese. The other breeders would be able to give better options I'm sure. As for the puppies well they are really cute.

 

[dujac]

No one's attacking you.

that's just not true

No one is going to pat you on the back for this litter…

notice what i actually asked for

it certainly wasn't a pat on the back

I think all-in-all you really should of thought about this breeding a little more.

you really don't know what you're talking about, i thought about it for a decade or more

lolita 2007

 

[Smokeycat]

I understand that you feel attacked and it's justified. They may not mean to be so judgmental but I have discovered that on some topics opinions are so deeply held that some individuals are unable to accept that others may not agree. Unfortunately breeding is one of them. I have learned to hold my tongue (fingers?) to avoid the 'attacks'. As hard as it is try to ignore those who are unable to accept that not everyone thinks like they do.

 

[dujac]

I understand that you feel attacked and it's justified.

i won't accept attacks or dictatorial demands

lolita 2004

 

[futureowner]

I feel all this is my fault for asking the question in the first place and I'm sorry your feeling like your being attacked Dujac, that wasn't my intentions. I have searched and searched and done tons of research in finding a English Mastiff Breeder, I learned that the testing is very important because you don't want a puppy to grow up having any types of problems and the testing doesn't mean it won't happen but it does mean that it's not being passed down through the parents.
I wish you luck on finding homes. Make sure you don't let the puppies stay next to the mom unless they are eating or she is cleaning them, she can lay on them on accident and squish them and they will die from it because they are so tiny! As far as food goes, my breeder uses Life's Abundance, it is formulated for large breed dogs and keeps them from growing too fast and has the right amount of dietary needs I also know another breeder who is a big time show breeder that uses it. I have heard Orijen is another good one, you can look up www.dogfoodadvisor.com and it will tell you what you need to know as far as food goes
I hope this helps!


---------- Post added at 07:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:42 PM ----------

FYI : I am not a breeder, nor have I bred any large dogs, nor do I plan to anytime soon!! The information I posted above was just information I have came upon in doing research and speaking to great breeders

 

[futureowner]

FYI : I am not a breeder, nor have I bred any large dogs, nor do I plan to anytime soon!! The information I posted above was just information I have came upon in doing research and speaking to great breeders

 

[bullyBug]

i mean me, one litter doesn't make a breeder

do you think i shouldn't be able to have a litter of puppies from my dog?

Should or can? What if your puppy owners all just want one litter out of their dog? That's 50+ dujac mastiffs in the world. If just one of those puppies end up in a puppy mill situation, skies the limit. Are you a breeder then? Try to look beyond the one puppy you want from your dog, and at the big picture.

Sorry, when you work at a vet and get calls from people wanting to dump their "beloved" pets on a daily basis, it's hard to be nonchalant about breeding.

Pet overpopulation aside, anyone breeding dogs owes it to their puppies, their puppy buyers, and their breed as a whole to have standards. You should be striving to produce healthy dogs with sound temperaments that look like nice examples of the breed. You are also responsible for giving your puppies the best start in life - proper socialization & good nutrition for at least eight weeks - and find loving permanent homes for them. Are you prepared to offer your buyers support for the life of your puppy? Do you have sufficient knowledge to offer this support? You should be selling them with contracts and take any puppy back at anytime if needed.

Anyway, your puppies are here now and I hope you do your best by them. I hope you continue to grow and learn and hopefully put a little more thought into any future breedings.

 

[dujac]

Should or can?

i meant what i wrote

If just one of those puppies end up in a puppy mill situation, skies the limit.

none of the puppies will be going to any puppy mill situation

so stop attacking me, now


11. Attacks on new forum members will not be tolerated.

http://www.mastiff-forum.com/content.php/2-rules

 

[bullyBug]

i meant what i wrote




none of the puppies will be going to any puppy mill situation

so stop attacking me, now


11. Attacks on new forum members will not be tolerated.

http://www.mastiff-forum.com/content.php/2-rules

Then no, you probably shouldn't have.

I'm sorry that you feel you are being attacked. People here are only trying to help and/or educate. I hope you go through this thread again when it's not so fresh and realize that.

In the mean time, check out these links. The first one especially will give you the tools you need to raise this litter successfully:

http://www.esmondrott.com/faq_rearing.htm - Loads of info from a great rottie breeder


http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2108&aid=916

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2106&aid=915

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2109&aid=840

 

[dujac]

People here are only trying to help and/or educate.

that's not what you're doing, you're attacking me

stop the attacks

 

[futureowner]

that's not what you're doing, you're attacking me

stop the attacks

I have not attacked you but I don't believe you have read what i posted either!

I feel all this is my fault for asking the question in the first place and I'm sorry your feeling like your being attacked Dujac, that wasn't my intentions. I have searched and searched and done tons of research in finding a English Mastiff Breeder, I learned that the testing is very important because you don't want a puppy to grow up having any types of problems and the testing doesn't mean it won't happen but it does mean that it's not being passed down through the parents.
I wish you luck on finding homes. Make sure you don't let the puppies stay next to the mom unless they are eating or she is cleaning them, she can lay on them on accident and squish them and they will die from it because they are so tiny! As far as food goes, my breeder uses Life's Abundance, it is formulated for large breed dogs and keeps them from growing too fast and has the right amount of dietary needs I also know another breeder who is a big time show breeder that uses it. I have heard Orijen is another good one, you can look up www.dogfoodadvisor.com and it will tell you what you need to know as far as food goes
I hope this helps!


---------- Post added at 07:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:42 PM ----------

FYI : I am not a breeder, nor have I bred any large dogs, nor do I plan to anytime soon!! The information I posted above was just information I have came upon in doing research and speaking to great breeders

---------- Post added at 09:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:35 PM ----------

Then no, you probably shouldn't have.

I'm sorry that you feel you are being attacked. People here are only trying to help and/or educate. I hope you go through this thread again when it's not so fresh and realize that.

In the mean time, check out these links. The first one especially will give you the tools you need to raise this litter successfully:

http://www.esmondrott.com/faq_rearing.htm - Loads of info from a great rottie breeder


http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2108&aid=916

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2106&aid=915

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2109&aid=840

Love the links bullybug very helpful even if im not breeding

 

[futureowner]

Then no, you probably shouldn't have.

I'm sorry that you feel you are being attacked. People here are only trying to help and/or educate. I hope you go through this thread again when it's not so fresh and realize that.

In the mean time, check out these links. The first one especially will give you the tools you need to raise this litter successfully:

http://www.esmondrott.com/faq_rearing.htm - Loads of info from a great rottie breeder


http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2108&aid=916

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2106&aid=915

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2109&aid=840

Love the links bullybug very helpful even if im not breeding

 

[dujac]

I don't believe you have read what i posted either!

i read it the first time

 

[Kelly]

Gotta say, guys, I have to agree with dujac on the attacking.

It wasn't so long ago that I wouldn't have known about all the testing that needs to be done. Or set the bar so high for breeding. She did her due diligence, in her opinion. she asked her vet, who should have been the authority on what to test for as far as breeding goes. he should have given some direction but just kind of did the ol' come what may.

Rather than risk losing a new member who actually did come here for help, how about we chalk this up as an experience for her, hopefully she stays on the forum, and thru reading other discussion threads where she's not being attacked comes around to another way of looking at things.

Remember she says shes not a breeder, so this will likely be her only litter. She also says she's vetting the buyers closely. Instead of jumping down her throat I think maybe a little support might go a long way. Remember you attract more flies with honey than vinnegar.

I was on a forum once where I got attacked and that was it, I quit. Haven't been back since. Stupid self righteous buncha cows. If they had anything they wanted me to learn, forget it. Done and done. Lets not do that to Dujac.

Also, am loving all the pics of Lolita, esp the one at the Louvre.

 

[dujac]

It wasn't so long ago that I wouldn't have known about all the testing that needs to be done.

i've known much about testing mastiffs for a number of years

my girl lolita lived to be nearly 12 years old, i got her at san francisco acc (the pound) in 1998

she never had any sort of health test, but lived a great life and contributed much to many people

new orleans, clay square 2005

overlooking the ouachita river headwaters 2006

 

[angelbears]

Well, there is your answer Kelly!

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I wish the puppies well.

Damn where is Bantu... almost wish that one was back as it is getting discourging

 

[angelbears]

Says it all doesn't it.