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Training for akc shows-help

Wyo- Dogue de Bordeaux

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I need a little help on starting the training on my Bordeaux. I used to show noreign elkhound and I know there are differences. I know the proper gate speed, I use a martingale, but in this breed to you hold the head and chin up? Any other advise would be great. Living where I live I have no close clubs to look to for help.
 

ruthcatrin

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You'll get responses breed specific I'm sure. But I just went through my first show with Apollo back in Nov, I have a club who offers handling classes, but only intermittently. I spent alot of time looking at stacked show photos from Apollo's breeder, and other TM breeders, so I'd have an idea of how to stack him right. Also his breeder emailed me a fairly detail description of how to place out his feet. I'd suggest some digging for that sort of info! Good luck!
 

Mooshi's Mummy

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Ruth...not sure if your TM info from your breeder is available to share but if it is i would love to have a read...especially with Crufts looming in just over 7 weeks. EEK!
 

Wyo- Dogue de Bordeaux

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I have been studying the stacking for a while, but some people hold up the heads and others don't. The breeder I used didn't but when I look at other breeders pages some do and some don't, and this is what is confusing. Thanks for all the help!
 

ruthcatrin

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Tried to PM you but your inbox is full lady.

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I have been studying the stacking for a while, but some people hold up the heads and others don't. The breeder I used didn't but when I look at other breeders pages some do and some don't, and this is what is confusing. Thanks for all the help!

Look at the head position of the ones holding hte head up vs the ones who don't. Decide which look you like better, and if you can achieve that look without holding his head up, and go from there.
 

Wyo- Dogue de Bordeaux

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Okay thank you. It just stinks living in Wyoming and the closest club is 6 hours away and the breeder we choose is great but some times she is hard to get a hold of to ask questions about this. They did work with Hulk from the time he was 4 weeks old on stacking and I have just maintained what they taught him so far, started him in leach training, and proper gating. But he is only 16 weeks old now and wanted to make sure I am doing it correctly.ImageUploadedByTapatalk1359038562.906066.jpg
 

ruthcatrin

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Don't blame you! Hopefully one of the more experienced showing folks will wander through and help!

HUGE suggestion: get someone to tape you stacking and doing a down and back with him. Or set up a camera to tape yourself. It made a HUGE difference to SEE it, much easier to figure out what I was doing wrong.
 

TN Dogues

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Personally, I don't like holding the dog's head up to where I am supporting the neck/head. To me it looks unnatural. But many people do it. I use treats in the ring - other handlers don't. There is no 'right' or wrong way. And different judges have preferences for what they like. You have to decide what makes YOUR dog look his BEST. What angle his head looks good, topline, chest, etc. What angle the judges will be looking AT him is important. You want his best features to be prominent and minimize his faults. For anyone who says their dog has no faults, they are wrong. There are no perfect dogs, all dogs have some minor fault whether it be in their hocks, or toes, stance, gait, ear set, whatever. A good handler learns how to compensate for it. Which is why you see so many handlers fussing over every foot, pushing up on their dog's belly, holding the tail up and out, etc.

Just an example: You can make your dog's chest look slightly wider by placing the front feet just to the outside edge of the breast - whereas your dog may naturally want to stand with feet closer together (even with toes almost touching) - thereby making the chest look more narrow. This is commonly done with English Bulldogs to make them look even more barrel chested.

I would watch videos and go to the shows just as a spectator. Watch handlers and try to see what they did different to make their dog win.
 

ruthcatrin

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What are you thinking of using? I use braided kangaroo leather slip collar and lead for Apollo, but alot of folks use chain too.
 

ruby55

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You're going to want to use a slim collar/chain, whichever you choose. You don't want something that's even a little bit wide, as it could distract the judge from seeing the true line of your dog's head, jaw & neck. As far as holding his head up: while you're looking at what other folks do, also pay close attention to the AKC standards for head & neck. We always try to get their heads up -- sometimes it's tough on a bullmastiff-- and make sure all of their wrinkles are below the show lead. We set the lead high so that the angle of the head & neck are more easily seen.
 

ruthcatrin

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The problem with the martingales that I looked at (cause I'd have prefered one myself), by the time you get one big enough for an adult mastiff, they're big and wide and clunky. Now if you can find one that comes show slim in mastiff sizes then very cool (and let me know!!), but otherwise, definetly use the martingale for daily stuff, but I'd suggest getting him used to a slim show collar.
 

Wyo- Dogue de Bordeaux

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Thanks for all your help on this stuff. I might just have to find a place in Utah and take my pup there to get him properly sized up of one now, and buy a couple if different sizes for later.
 

ruthcatrin

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THIS is the collar I got for Apollo. I originially used a lead purchased there too, but bought a matching black braided kanagroo leather at the show we were at in Nov. There are a couple places online that do custom work too, in a variety of colors. I've got a couple bookmarked, but haven't actually ordered from any. I was going to try to contact the guy who made the leash I bought to see if I could get a set to match Apollo's coat color, as the vendor said he did custom work, but managed to loose the tag that had his website on it *sigh*.
 

TN Dogues

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We've used both a thin chain and a show lead. Do a search on ebay - there are plenty to choose from.