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Training Help Needed with rescued Dogo

Dogowild

Member
I was a vet tech and have been a foster mom for a number of years. I have always loved dogo's and one happened to come my way a week ago. He is about 18 months, not neutered but they may be done tomorrow, 110#, and has no training at all. He is responding to me, but I am having some issues. First, his prey drive needs redirection and I am having trouble gaining and maintaining his attention when he is in the hunt. Granted, I haven't had much time with him yet, but his drive is quite high and putting his size behind him, it is presenting a huge problem. He gets along with the other dogs here, plays with them, etc, but is dominant when food is present. That doesn't bother the others and everyone just shifts around as he does, but I would like to stop that. He has also aggressively attacked two of the dogs when food was present, once during feeding, once during training with treats. Both times unprovoked and out of no where hurting the other two dogs. I can not have that. I have dealt with issues like this before with other dogs, but not this breed or a dog of this size. I am inexperienced in this and am finding I may have made a mistake in rescuing him. I also have small children and while he is wonderful with them and was being raised with children until the family realized he was going to be far bigger than they expected, I am worried he may turn on them. So far he is just vey protective of us and our property. For those here who know far more than I do, what are you seeing and what do you recommend? I use positive training reinforcing good behaviors with attention and treats and crate him when he has done something wrong. He is also crated at night.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Welcome aboard and thank you for rescuing the boy.

First of all, do not feed him with the other dogs until you get his resource guarding under control. Feed him in his crate.

Do not use the crate as a punishment tool. The crate should be his own space where he can go to sleep and relax. Make it a happy place.

Do not allow children to play with him, instead have the children hand feed him, walk with you when you walk him, brush him, and help with training him. Keep the pup on leash while in the house until you learn his body language.

It sounds as though you may be afraid of what he may do and he will feed off of your fear. Do you best to show confidence and not fear.

It takes a rehomed dog 8-12 months to fully trust you. They require lots of patience, consistency in training and TONS of love.

I'm sure Dogo owners will pipe in and give you specific tips about Dogos.

Leerburg Dog Training | Introducing a New Dog into a Home with Other Dogs

It is normal behavior, he is resource guarding.

Remove all treats, toys, bones from the floor. Do not allow the dog any treats, toys, bones or food until he has earned it. I recommend keeping all dogs separated while eating until the behavior is resolved because they may fight.

When you feed the dog, do the following:

Step 1.
Make them sit and watch you prepare their food. Put a little bit of food in the bowl, while they watch you. While they remains in sit, place the bowl on the floor. Tell them when they can eat. Point your finger at the bowl while having them look at the food, then click your fingers and tell them to "eat".

When they finish, repeat. Once they have perfected that task, then move onto to step 2.

Repeat Step 1.

Step 2.
While they are eating, put your hand closer and closer to the bowl and eventually put your hand in the bowl. While you do this, add a few pieces of food each time. Repeat Step 2 until they no longer growl or show teeth.

Re: treats/bones/toys. Give them those things while they are in the crate. Have the other dog(s) walk by them and sit by the crate while they have the treat/bone/toy. When they start to growl, tell them "no" in a calm, stern voice. Do not take the treat/bone/toy away from them because that is reinforcing the fear that someone is going to take it. Continue this exercise until they stop growling while the other dog(s) are around.

Once they have perfected the previous step, move them out of the crate. While on leash, allow them to have treat/bone/toy. Allow the other dog(s) to walk past. Give a tug of the leash if the dog growls. Tell them "no" in a calm, stern voice. Continue the other dog(s) walking past them until they stop growling.

This will require lots of patience. Consistency is key.
 

Dogowild

Member
Thank you for your thoughts. It is his inconsistency. I can mess with his food, but like with the dogs, I am worried he may snap unexpectedly. He doesn't growl before hand or even look upset. Just goes off so I don't even have signs to look for. He was not taught to walk on the leash so I am working on that to. The only time treats were given was during training and at night before bed when they each got one. No toys are out anymore. I am trying to be the pack leader, but I feel as though he is toying with me. Like he is going "oh, alright. I will let you think that for now but really you aren't" kind of thing. That is making me uneasy and I am sure making the situation worse as he can now feel it. So, I am looking to put my old confidence back to. I appreciate everyone who helps here as I readily admit my ignorance in personally handling this type of dog.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Mastiffs are extremely stubborn and independent. They can feel your frustration and if you start raising your voice, they shut down on you and stop listening.

When training and walking, take a few deep breaths. With shoulders back, walk with confidence and train with confidence.

They listen more to a confident person who is stern but calm. Teach him what you want him to do.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Only time will tell if he will be ok with your children. Again, do not allow the children on the floor or alone with the pup. Keep the pup on leash while he's around the children until you learn his body language.

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Mag-Pie

Well-Known Member
Mastiffs are extremely stubborn and independent. They can feel your frustration and if you start raising your voice, they shut down on you and stop listening.

When training and walking, take a few deep breaths. With shoulders back, walk with confidence and train with confidence.

They listen more to a confident person who is stern but calm. Teach him what you want him to do.

Yes! 100 % ^^^ I couldn't agree more.

Hiring a trainer, preferably one who is familiar in dealing with large, powerful, stubborn breeds, (and aggressive dogs, as in my case also) IMO is essential if you are not experienced yourself. I am very happy with the money I've spent on Luther's training (he's a Cane Corso, unaltered, 17 months old), and I've spend a good amount, and he's still in training... it's a life process. This is a serious working dog with tremendous strength. Very few people really have the knowledge, facilities, or skills necessary to manage these breeds.

However, his forum is truly AMAZING, many people on here are VERY serious about their mastiffs and have the knowledge and experience to help you out with anything and everything. Reading through all the threads has helped me out a lot, and I've gotten very helpful advice on dealing specifically with my own CC; there is such a wealth of information here.

Thanks to musicdeb, and her vast and valuable knowledge, you already have gotten some good advice, hopefully some Dogo owners will come on shortly and offer up more of their expertise.

Please keep in mind that adopted/rescued dog will usually have "issues" and will require a ton of work to get him rehabilitated, this takes having great patience and time. This is what I am dealing with, with my CC. Every day I learn more about him, and about new things that need to be worked though... I'll admit, for me it's a steep learning curve.

In the beginning he was reactive to EVERYTHING, people, dogs, cars, noises - but I worked with him, got him a serious reputable pro trainer familiar with working breeds (one who takes on hard cases, aggressive dogs, bully breeds, etc.), started socializing him (since he was never properly socialized), got him out walking (he was never walked) twice a day on structured 2 mile walks, desensitizing him, counter conditioning, set boundaries, countless repetitions in everyday training, absolute consistency, staying calm patient and understanding, and pretty much keeping an eye on him 24/7. Dealing with him IS a challenge, but after almost 3 months of this nonstop training he is progressing nicely as I am working on "rehabilitating" him.

I do not have kids, and do not plan on having any, so honestly I can not give you any advice on how to specifically deal with him and children, since I never had to work through it. All I can say is that these are incredibly powerful guardian dogs with specific needs, they are willful, obstinate, and will challenge you (sadly many people don't realize this, and that is why in a lot of cases they end up in shelters or PTS). They need continuous training and supervision especially when they are unstable.

In Luthers' case, he IS a dog that requires a ton of patience and training because of his "issues", otherwise he can become a liability with a potential to do a lot more damage then your average pet dog. He is very wary of all new people, so I try to stay a good distance away from them on our daily walks, usually 10 feet is a good comfortable distance for him. And I always keep him on a leash, (although he is now off-leash trained and always comes when I call him and listens incredibly well), I just don't trust other people and their possible reactions to him, nor do I trust him... I simply do not know him well enough. In group class he wears a muzzle, since he hates when the trainer gets into his personal space, or anyone else for that matter, (except for me, he seems to trust me) so we're working on that one also. But for the most part as long as everyone stays away from him, and doesn't get too close he remains stable and shows no aggression.

To get him use to wearing a muzzle I did the whole treat through the muzzle thing, and having him wear it for short periods of time around the house, and sometimes on our walks. Also to the vet, and if we're going somewhere where there is going to be lots of strangers. He certainly does not wear it all the time, and never longer then an hour at a time, but it is for just in case.

When introducing him to new people, i.e., friends, family, etc., we always do the "no touch, no talk, no eye contact" initially. We don't force him to interact with people unless he wants to, and it's always under my close supervision.

IMO your Dogo's issues are workable, but as already mentioned it will take serious daily work, patience, time (maybe even up to a year+), and management. All that I've mentioned is not meant for you to question your decision in rescuing your pup, but just to illustrate what it's been like for me dealing with a similar type of dog. I guess this is me just being very cautious as an owner of a very powerful guardian breed. I am sure you understand.

One of the first things that I've learned about these breeds was that they are amazing, intelligent, loyal guardian dogs, HOWEVER they are not for everyone. Knowing what I know now, I totally agree. I still have a lot of work to do with Luther, but I'm very pleased with the progress he's made. Like I've already said, he's definitely a challenge, and a work in progress; but aren't we all? At the end of the day, I feel all that hard work is totally worth it.

Welcome, best wishes, and good luck!
 

marti1357

Well-Known Member
Again, like others said, thanks for the effort of rescuing this amazing breed.
It is wrong to assume the dog is playing games with your mind. In most cases they respond to stimulus. But if you think so, you are starting from a low point. Just be yourself and show him he can trust you but needs to follow your command.
Try not to fail him: feed him alone and deal with his treats and toys when other dogs do not compete for the same. It takes time to build mutual trust but once you know him, you will feel when he is upset or is on attack mode. Time is on your side if you are patient.
Good Luck!
 

neona

Well-Known Member
Only want to add that I rescued a mastiff also & you will get the best advice on this forum. I want to emphasize the year or so to fully trust that Deb mentions. It really was around a year that we saw Dante truly "become" a mastiff guarding HIS family. Because he'd been incredibly easy up to that point, & our training lax, there was a bit of adjustment to be made! Good luck!
 

fixitlouie

Well-Known Member
Pm me...some of my techniques are not for all eyes but have worked for even the most stubborn dogs. Only when all of said were applied were dogs culled
 

DennasMom

Well-Known Member
Not a dogo owner here... but I'll chime in that he's new-to-you and still learning the ropes. It will take lots of time, patience and consistency to bring him around to your way of thinking - but it certainly can be done.

Dogs do not "toy" with emotions, or play games - other than to test limits and see what they can get away with... but that's just them being selfish, as most animals are (humans included). :)

I'd suggest you make his crate a safe haven - feed him there, let him sleep there, provide lots of good, quiet, relaxing time there... so he can feel like he has time to relax and absorb what being a part of your family is all about ... and reflect on how awesome his new life is. Make sure he has time to nap undisturbed, so he can interact with the family and dogs from a well-rested position.

Otherwise... time, patience and consistency... be generous with treats when he's doing well, too!!

Hopefully you won't have to resort to fixitlouie's 'last resort' methods... some of those can backfire if not applied properly... especially with guardian breeds like mastiffs.
 

Dogowild

Member
Thank you everyone. Well, he has lost all his freedom at the moment. Outside only on a leash as he went over my fence the other day when I wasn't looking. In his crate most of the time because he was unhappy at being on the leash and decided he would only go to the bathroom INSIDE the house. Got the gentle leader and have an amazing transformation in attitude. I decided I was giving him to much freedom, freedom he didn't earn, from the very get go. So, now he is earning it. He is laying at my feet right now so he isn't deprived, but I may be starting to see some signs of respect starting to pop up. I am making him sit and wait for his food. If he moves, he has to wait until he will sit and stay for it to be put before him. The rest of the time it is given in his crate. He gets treats with the other dogs, but only after performing commands and waiting his turn. Any bad behavior is stopped and attention is removed which kills him to no end, lol. He is a social dog for sure. I will say, he is making me a better person. I have been having trouble with myself having recently removed my children and myself from a long, abuse marriage I still have to handle in many ways. Knowing I have to stand up tall, take charge and be firm with him is reminding me to take pride in myself to and that I can be a strong person. So thank you for all your continuing advice and support. It is not only helping with his training, it is helping me personally as well.
 

Mag-Pie

Well-Known Member
Knowing I have to stand up tall, take charge and be firm with him is reminding me to take pride in myself to and that I can be a strong person. So thank you for all your continuing advice and support. It is not only helping with his training, it is helping me personally as well.

I am so glad to hear things are improving for you. I'll second what fixitlouie already said, it sounds like you have stepped up your game, and are succeeding. Good for you. I am reminded, in a sense, what Cesar Millan (all personal opinions about him aside, please and thank you) says that "you don't get the dog you want, you get the dog you need." I also feel that my CC is making me become a stronger and more balanced type of person. Keep up the good work. Best wishes! :)