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What type of mix would you say I have here

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Joe Flynn

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So I finally have a few pics that show how my 10 month old (presa mix?) actually looks, or at least much closer than some of the others I have posted.
 

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Cobalt

Cobalt

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It's hard, if not impossible, to tell a breed mix from pictures alone Joe, but a couple things do stand out. A Presa's withers should be higher than the shoulders with a noticeable back rise from front to rear - a croup lower than the withers would actually be a disqualifying trait under the breed standard. Your dogs ears also don't seem to lay as low and flat to the head as most I've seen. If I HAD to make a guess, I'd say there's some bully breed in there somewhere. But still a great looking dog - just love him and he'll return it in spades! :)
 
Cobalt

Cobalt

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Mis-typed there in my statement "...withers should be higher than the shoulders", too early and haven't had my coffee LOL, so I'll just cut and paste for ya:

"A properly proportioned Presa is about 20% longer (measured from prosternum to point of buttocks) than tall (measured from the withers to the ground), and length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) should approximately equal one-half of the dog*s height. Females may be slightly longer in body. The withers are slightly elevated. The back and loin are strong but without prominent musculature. The back line ascends slightly toward the croup (rump) which is just slightly higher than the withers. The croup is of medium length, wide and slightly sloping. Females normally have slightly wider croups. The loin is moderately short, muscular and deep, with moderate tuck-up. The ribs are well arched. The brisket extends to the elbow. The chest is broad and deep with well developed pectoral muscles. Ideally, the circumference of the deepest part of the chest should equal almost 1½ times the dog*s height at the withers.

Serious faults: Shallow chest, croup and withers equal height, body too short, swayback, roach back.

Disqualification: Croup lower than withers."
 
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Joe Flynn

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yeah. def not pure bread but do you see boxer or EM or pit.... Every time I decide he's not presa something happens that points me beach at presa. Like I was at a dog end of the year swim at the local pool and some lady came up and said she had a presa and he looked like one. Then just the other day I was on this forum with my gf and we see a pic of a dog that looks soooo much like him. turns out PRESA again. soo I know his croup isn't higher than his shoulders but he is long. He has a massive head. The vet said no APPT. He has slowed growth at 73lbs. though. I mean I have looked at every picture I can find on line, been to countless websites and I just don't know. I guess I should just get a dna test.
 
cinnamon roll

cinnamon roll

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I want to say pit/presa mix.

I am by NO means a Presa expert just my opinoin.

He is very handsome.
 
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Joe Flynn

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cinnamon roll said:
I want to say pit/presa mix.

I am by NO means a Presa expert just my opinoin.

He is very handsome.
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I am not sold either way on the pit part, mostly b/c when he was a little younger the vet said no way. ... but I can see it too. I think your right. Pits are lighter. So it would explain his stunted growth while still having good muscle tone.
 
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Joe Flynn

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as for the presa.... of course that's what I WANT to hear. I just don't know if i'm blinded by what I want to see or if he actually has those features.
 
QY10

QY10

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I can see some pit there. Do you know his height and weight?

My boy is (I think) Bullmastiff X AmStaff (in the bully breed family) and I can see SOME similarities in the face/head.
 
QY10

QY10

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Whoops, I didn't notice you already posted his weight. My boy is 1.5 years and around 80 lbs, but still growing and filling out. His brother (my dad's dog) is sitting around 100+ lbs (I personally think my dad's dog is a bit overweight though..)
 
Cobalt

Cobalt

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Definitely in the head is where I see the bully breed most too - a friend has too AmBullies, big boys over 100lbs with massive heads, looks just like your dog's head in shape/ears.
 
DennasMom

DennasMom

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I'd say there's some mastiff of some sort in there somewhere.
I love his expression - looks like a real sensitive sweetie from the pictures. :)

A slope to the back might indicate maybe some german shepherd in there somewhere?
 
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alejandro

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It's hard to tell from pictures especially from far standing ones, but the only thing i can really see it's the high set ears, from those pics i don't see the higher shoulders, other than that he looks great to me. Why you think he's a mix, Presas come in a lot of diferent kinds, he just may be "poorly" bred. I have seen worse "pure" ones.
 
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Joe Flynn

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alejandro said:
It's hard to tell from pictures especially from far standing ones, but the only thing i can really see it's the high set ears, from those pics i don't see the higher shoulders, other than that he looks great to me. Why you think he's a mix, Presas come in a lot of diferent kinds, he just may be "poorly" bred. I have seen worse "pure" ones.
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Well he was picked up out of a box of 12 puppies with another pup. Mine was then passed around from house to house so I consider him a rescue and have no way of knowing what his parents are. The other pup owner is who hooked me up with him and hers is much smaller. Similar brindle. I am not convinced that they are from the same mom. ...I have considered that he is pure but of bad lines.
 
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Joe Flynn

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DennasMom said:
I'd say there's some mastiff of some sort in there somewhere.
I love his expression - looks like a real sensitive sweetie from the pictures. :)

A slope to the back might indicate maybe some german shepherd in there somewhere?
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He dose have a stance similar to a german shepherd sometimes. The fur would be different (I think) if he had shepherd in him.
 
Dreadz

Dreadz

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Top line and stance do look very gsd to me and I can see some bully breed in the face but as has been said, he's a great looking dog regardless of what mix he is.
 
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Joe Flynn

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yes, I always tell people "I think he's the best looking most well behaved dog ever, but he's mine so my opinion is moot"
 
cj-sharpy

cj-sharpy

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I'd say that muzzle is mastiff. His tiger stripes are throwing my eye off a bit but that pinched rear end is making me think boxer. I've a EM boxer cross with similar stance. Just bigger.
Crosses are tricky cos they can get any proportion of any traits from mum or dad.
But for what it's worth I'll say Pressa boxer.
 
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