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Robtouw

Well-Known Member
EM's definately do not have the drive nor the interest in protection sports. I trained hard and professionally with my rotti and I am 100% sure without a doubt from experience that english mastiffs are not the dog for protection sports! They lack the overall drive, stamina and coordination necessary. My current pup is fantastic at hearding, he has never been formally taught but assists in roundng up our horses every morning & afternoon.
 

Geisthexe

Banned
Here is a EM training in bite work .. dog looks like he is doing pretty damn good, with his stamina, drive, and desire to work it .......................

[video=youtube_share;iD0eHih0zto]http://youtu.be/iD0eHih0zto[/video]

This is a friend of mine getting her TR1 title in Schutzhund with her MASTIFF

[video=youtube_share;dZ_F5gyNLkQ]http://youtu.be/dZ_F5gyNLkQ[/video]

I truly believe if you want a dog to do something you can get it .. can it be as good as the breed the sport was created for probably not. But is what you do good for you and what you want your dog to do .. YES!!!

Just thought I would throw in these great videos :D
 

Tiger12490

Well-Known Member
.....not all dogs can do protection sports and overall if not bred for it 90% will fail.....find me 5 EM that have done it.....

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Cody

Well-Known Member
Cody if ya never heard anyone on here say "I luv ya" well I do just for the statement "I think keeping them out of the AKC is probably in the best interest of the breed and keeping it true!"

Thank you .. We are doing our best :)
Once admitted the tendency seems to be to water down the harder breeds.
My guess is the CC will become softer and with that more temp issues will arise.
It can be seen happening already. People trying to make the CC into the lab, easier sales. Trouble is we are seeing more and more fearful/skittish dogs
I am not saying that a well bred CC should not be in the AKC ring, or be able to be touched by strangers, but not ALL enjoy it.
Black Jack doesn't enjoy the atmosphere of an indoor show, he tolerates and shows well because he is told to, but he doesn't enjoy having strangers staring at him in his x-pen. Nor do I expect him too... He IS a Corso.
Aurora on the other hand doesn't give a damn. Unkown people are irrelevant to her.
When I hear about Aurora's dad, lives in southern Italy with a family who has been breeding true for generations, if introduced by the owners he is a sweet heart. Will let people pet him and is a cool dog. Try to come uninvited onto the property and there is no guarantee that you will leave. Yet her grandpa, one of my fav older dogs, was strictly a hands off dog. No one but the family could touch him. Both of these dogs were considered correct.
What I am trying to say, is that the temp in the breed varies IMO, like many other things, but the one steadfast is is that they should remain a Corso/Presa/Fila, and the AKC IMO tries to homogenize dogs to all fit a mold.
End hijack
Lol, I think what ever of the breeds you decide on, you really need to do your homework.
There are VERY few working kennels in the CC. There are many dogs who have titled, but most that advertise as working kennels are using a it as a sales pitch. The large majority of working titled dogs come from kennels who focus mainly in confirmation, but understand drives and will work with an owneer selecting the right pup for the right job.
You really need to dig down and study if you are getting a CC, talk to as many DIFFERENT breeders/owners as possible, learn what you like and go from there...
 

Geisthexe

Banned
.....not all dogs can do protection sports and overall if not bred for it 90% will fail.....find me 5 EM that have done it.....

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I wont get into this with you again. I said it before not all dogs can do it but there are a few that can .. and if you read my statement above its really clear. I dont understand folks like you ... I get told Presa's cant do chit but yet I am doing it. People in CCs have been told they cant do yet they are ....

---------- Post added at 08:38 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:35 AM ----------

Once admitted the tendency seems to be to water down the harder breeds.
My guess is the CC will become softer and with that more temp issues will arise.
It can be seen happening already. People trying to make the CC into the lab, easier sales. Trouble is we are seeing more and more fearful/skittish dogs
I am not saying that a well bred CC should not be in the AKC ring, or be able to be touched by strangers, but not ALL enjoy it.
Black Jack doesn't enjoy the atmosphere of an indoor show, he tolerates and shows well because he is told to, but he doesn't enjoy having strangers staring at him in his x-pen. Nor do I expect him too... He IS a Corso.
Aurora on the other hand doesn't give a damn. Unkown people are irrelevant to her.
When I hear about Aurora's dad, lives in southern Italy with a family who has been breeding true for generations, if introduced by the owners he is a sweet heart. Will let people pet him and is a cool dog. Try to come uninvited onto the property and there is no guarantee that you will leave. Yet her grandpa, one of my fav older dogs, was strictly a hands off dog. No one but the family could touch him. Both of these dogs were considered correct.
What I am trying to say, is that the temp in the breed varies IMO, like many other things, but the one steadfast is is that they should remain a Corso/Presa/Fila, and the AKC IMO tries to homogenize dogs to all fit a mold.
End hijack
Lol, I think what ever of the breeds you decide on, you really need to do your homework.
There are VERY few working kennels in the CC. There are many dogs who have titled, but most that advertise as working kennels are using a it as a sales pitch. The large majority of working titled dogs come from kennels who focus mainly in confirmation, but understand drives and will work with an owneer selecting the right pup for the right job.
You really need to dig down and study if you are getting a CC, talk to as many DIFFERENT breeders/owners as possible, learn what you like and go from there...

Well said!!
 

Geisthexe

Banned
Once admitted the tendency seems to be to water down the harder breeds.
My guess is the CC will become softer and with that more temp issues will arise.
It can be seen happening already. People trying to make the CC into the lab, easier sales. Trouble is we are seeing more and more fearful/skittish dogs
I am not saying that a well bred CC should not be in the AKC ring, or be able to be touched by strangers, but not ALL enjoy it.
Black Jack doesn't enjoy the atmosphere of an indoor show, he tolerates and shows well because he is told to, but he doesn't enjoy having strangers staring at him in his x-pen. Nor do I expect him too... He IS a Corso.
Aurora on the other hand doesn't give a damn. Unkown people are irrelevant to her.
When I hear about Aurora's dad, lives in southern Italy with a family who has been breeding true for generations, if introduced by the owners he is a sweet heart. Will let people pet him and is a cool dog. Try to come uninvited onto the property and there is no guarantee that you will leave. Yet her grandpa, one of my fav older dogs, was strictly a hands off dog. No one but the family could touch him. Both of these dogs were considered correct.
What I am trying to say, is that the temp in the breed varies IMO, like many other things, but the one steadfast is is that they should remain a Corso/Presa/Fila, and the AKC IMO tries to homogenize dogs to all fit a mold.
End hijack
Lol, I think what ever of the breeds you decide on, you really need to do your homework.
There are VERY few working kennels in the CC. There are many dogs who have titled, but most that advertise as working kennels are using a it as a sales pitch. The large majority of working titled dogs come from kennels who focus mainly in confirmation, but understand drives and will work with an owneer selecting the right pup for the right job.
You really need to dig down and study if you are getting a CC, talk to as many DIFFERENT breeders/owners as possible, learn what you like and go from there...

Well said!!
 

OwlSong

Well-Known Member
awesome info you guys! It really helps a lot. Dunno if anything will come of it, but I live in Nebraska. Are there any kennels around here that you recommend me checking out/talking with the owners?
 

Tiger12490

Well-Known Member
presa and CC are not EM apples and oranges again I dont want people to go out and get a dog expecting one thing and then there pup does not work...its sad and it happens alot I dont want to argue with you Deb nor am I being confrontational I work my mastiff too but he was bred for it...just like your working bred presa... RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH talk to breeders visit them especially for a working dog...if your dog is going to do extra stuff and not just lay on your couch then you need to make sure its parents share the temperament and attitude your looking for in a dog....its really that simple..you cant squeeze blood from a turnip

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Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
I think Ceasar's video has shown "proof" as there are some EMs capable of such work. However most folks just want a family pet, breeders/show people frown on this type of "work."

I get you Tiger, sometimes its just not applicable though. Stone didn't come from a working background, but I have a gut feeling he would do ok, when starting the protection work. I read many danes in the same situation, but their owners simply are not interested in bringing their dog's talents out.....sad really.:(

Edit Cody well said.
 

Geisthexe

Banned
Tiger I know what you are saying but again .. dogs can do it .. the gal here that is working her EMs loves working them .. does she have GSDs Yes does she compete with her GSDs Yes but she is still working her EMs in it and they are doing good. You see in the second video of the EM tracking .. how many ya know can do it not many.. Yes its a long road but can they get a title in Schutzhund probably would it be a high score probably not, but having fun with whatever breed you love so much is all that matters.

Here is a French bulldog doing SchH .. now here is a breed that shouldnt be doing it but its doing it

[video=youtube_share;e5B0R6A2EpQ]http://youtu.be/e5B0R6A2EpQ[/video]

So Ill say it again .. you have a passion to do something with a dog then do it!!!
 

Geisthexe

Banned
I know this is not protection work .. but this is one of the most titled GDs in our country .. He does Weight pulling, agility and more .... GO LESS!!!! I know this dog / owner personally awesome owner and dog ..

[video=youtube_share;2pxYFihvqAY]http://youtu.be/2pxYFihvqAY[/video]

Less being funny on the agility field ... love this dog

[video=youtube_share;RXMWZ8gY2to]http://youtu.be/RXMWZ8gY2to[/video]

GD training in bite work

[video=youtube_share;-UigbjG2RPw]http://youtu.be/-UigbjG2RPw[/video]
 

Tiger12490

Well-Known Member
Ye and I understand where you guys are coming from as well there are alot of good dogs that will act and defend to the end and ones that would tear up protection sports that are pet bred, pet dogs of all breeds and there is no harm in trying your dog in it but when your looking for a pup and its already in your mind your going to do something with it best bet is to get something with it in its DNA... and Caesar is in a bunch of bandogs ..some very good ones...some not so great lol

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Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
:lolbangtable: I LOVED the Paul agility. Yeah that dog is Stone. I don't believe we have a weight pull around here but something to check out.

Tiger its all good here! There are some Czech danes that look really nice from the photos and videos working. Been trying to get in contact with them, not hits yets.

Thanks Deb I thought I saved that video but I didn't. I still think it was the best one. I even checked Butch Chappels site with no luck, I think that was the first time and only time I saw it.

PS I have the video of the great dane saved in my archive. Not common but they are out there.
 

Geisthexe

Banned
A lot of the bandog sites are coming down and not sure why ..

What did you guys think of the lil frenchie .. IPO3 ...