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Whining - how do you stop it?

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irina

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Our 9 months old corso never whined until we met a poodle in basic obedience that would whine almost the entire class. I don't know if it was just a coinsedence or if he really learned it from the poodle. It irritates me to no end! I tried ignoring, tried correcting with a leash every time he whines and praising for being quiet, but it is not getting any better. Actually, when I correct him, even though I do it as fast as I can react, he is still not making the connection that it is the whining that I am having the issue with, because he would start changing positions from sit to down, then back to sit, move closer, move from side to side to figure out what I want from him. Advice and suggestion welcome.
 
dpenning

dpenning

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I usually a. get the toy from under the couch, b. open he door, c. get her kibble, d. get the other dogs out of her way.,,,, you get the idea. Sorry can't help. I just figure it is Daisy communicating with me.
 
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irina

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That is the next step, and not just for whining. If his off leash control does not improve, he might be getting it soon, just so that I can call him back.
 
joshuagough

joshuagough

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So you can't get the connection with a leash correction but, you think a e-collar will be the solution?

How's his on leash behavior? If your correction & correction word are solidified.. the problem is solved. I would suggested to you that you're about to head down the wrong path based on poor advice w/ a e-collar.

There's nothing you can't accomplish with a leash that you can accomplish with a e-collar. I'm a fan of e-collars but not before proper leash training is founded with the dog. Then the owner also needs to understand the proper use of the e-collars.
 
Hector

Hector

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Your dog is anxious/excited and over threshold. Some dogs are very vocal and can hardly contain their stress/excitement, while others are introverts. I have the same problem with my dog, but it has gotten better over time with obedience and maturity. You can't correct anxiety. You have to find a way to calm them or redirect them with obedience and focus work. In most cases, you have to give your dog distance from the stimulus or completely remove it and start over.

He is trying to appease (turn the pressure off) you by offering different behaviors because he does not understand what you want, yet he keeps getting corrected. You are adding to his stress. Eventually the dog will shut down and lose all motivation to work.
 
Hector

Hector

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irina said:
That is the next step, and not just for whining. If his off leash control does not improve, he might be getting it soon, just so that I can call him back.
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I don't understand how this would be the next step. It sounds like you have not proofed his obedience enough. He's 9 months - there's no way he's been proofed enough.
 
Ge_Ge80

Ge_Ge80

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I'm not sure what the situation is when he starts whining, maybe it's possible to use calming signals to ease his anxiety. There's lots of info online about what calming signals are and what they mean.
 
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musicdeb

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joshuagough said:
So you can't get the connection with a leash correction but, you think a e-collar will be the solution?

How's his on leash behavior? If your correction & correction word are solidified.. the problem is solved. I would suggested to you that you're about to head down the wrong path based on poor advice w/ a e-collar.

There's nothing you can't accomplish with a leash that you can accomplish with a e-collar. I'm a fan of e-collars but not before proper leash training is founded with the dog. Then the owner also needs to understand the proper use of the e-collars.
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Right on!
 
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musicdeb

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Hector said:
Your dog is anxious/excited and over threshold. Some dogs are very vocal and can hardly contain their stress/excitement, while others are introverts. I have the same problem with my dog, but it has gotten better over time with obedience and maturity. You can't correct anxiety. You have to find a way to calm them or redirect them with obedience and focus work. In most cases, you have to give your dog distance from the stimulus or completely remove it and start over.

He is trying to appease (turn the pressure off) you by offering different behaviors because he does not understand what you want, yet he keeps getting corrected. You are adding to his stress. Eventually the dog will shut down and lose all motivation to work.
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Well said!
 
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irina

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To answer all of the above... He is good on leash and corrects himself when he knows what I want from him. I do not seem to be able to communicate to him that it is his whining that is the problem. Either my timing is off or something else. Or maybe I should ignore it all together and it will go away because it is not getting the desired affect. That is what I need advice on. I am not thinking of getting an e-collar because the leash is not working and not just for his whining. I am heading that direction with sufficient information and advice from professional trainers mostly due to poor recall as well as being able to correct him in the house when he is not within reach. I must respectfully disagree, there are things you cannot accomplish without an e-collar.
As to the circumstances of his whining... No, he is not anxious or over threshold. He whines when he is bored or made to do something he is not enjoying. For example, if he is leashed to me and forced to stay by my side when I am reading, when he is sent to his bed and not allowed to leave it, during downtime in obedience classe and other similar situations.
Bottom line, my question is do I correct it or ignore it? If I must correct it, how do I communicate to him that the whining is the problem.
 
Doggyhelpplease

Doggyhelpplease

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I am not expert, but the type of situations you just described are basically like you said he is making a fuss because he doesn't want to stay put or like what he is doing. I would treat this like a dog whining to get out of the crate. Ignore him and when he is quiet and all relaxed let him leave the bed or let him through the door etc. He will get it eventually.
 
joshuagough

joshuagough

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Why not let your professional training give you some advice, since they can see what the dog is doing in person? It's a guessing game at best with text alone.

I've trained dogs for most of my life and there's not ANYTHING a e-collar can do that a leash can't. It may mean two people, and it may take more work but, the stem from a e-collar is not a natural thing for a dog.. they should understand a correction before they ever are expose to a e-collar. As I said I use and love what a e-collar can do but sticking one on a whining dog is uncalled for. That shouldn't be the first go to tool.

That said you may be a candiate for e-collar work but what I'm reading wouldn't suggest such, just my observations.

irina said:
To answer all of the above... He is good on leash and corrects himself when he knows what I want from him. I do not seem to be able to communicate to him that it is his whining that is the problem. Either my timing is off or something else. Or maybe I should ignore it all together and it will go away because it is not getting the desired affect. That is what I need advice on. I am not thinking of getting an e-collar because the leash is not working and not just for his whining. I am heading that direction with sufficient information and advice from professional trainers mostly due to poor recall as well as being able to correct him in the house when he is not within reach. I must respectfully disagree, there are things you cannot accomplish without an e-collar.
As to the circumstances of his whining... No, he is not anxious or over threshold. He whines when he is bored or made to do something he is not enjoying. For example, if he is leashed to me and forced to stay by my side when I am reading, when he is sent to his bed and not allowed to leave it, during downtime in obedience classe and other similar situations.
Bottom line, my question is do I correct it or ignore it? If I must correct it, how do I communicate to him that the whining is the problem.
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fixitlouie

fixitlouie

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E collar is best if not you will teach dog to obly listen when on leash...but alternate leashed so as don not become associated with that particular collar...you want dog to have a good handel ALL the time not just on leash

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fixitlouie

fixitlouie

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joshuagough said:
Why not let your professional training give you some advice, since they can see what the dog is doing in person? It's a guessing game at best with text alone.

I've trained dogs for most of my life and there's not ANYTHING a e-collar can do that a leash can't. It may mean two people, and it may take more work but, the stem from a e-collar is not a natural thing for a dog.. they should understand a correction before they ever are expose to a e-collar. As I said I use and love what a e-collar can do but sticking one on a whining dog is uncalled for. That shouldn't be the first go to tool.

That said you may be a candiate for e-collar work but what I'm reading wouldn't suggest such, just my observations.
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And when my dogs are getting started thay All were shock collars!!!. I hunt with mine and I would not want my dogs to trash on someones prize: bull or something

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irina

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joshuagough said:
Why not let your professional training give you some advice, since they can see what the dog is doing in person? It's a guessing game at best with text alone.

I've trained dogs for most of my life and there's not ANYTHING a e-collar can do that a leash can't. It may mean two people, and it may take more work but, the stem from a e-collar is not a natural thing for a dog.. they should understand a correction before they ever are expose to a e-collar. As I said I use and love what a e-collar can do but sticking one on a whining dog is uncalled for. That shouldn't be the first go to tool.

That said you may be a candiate for e-collar work but what I'm reading wouldn't suggest such, just my observations.
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Don't worry, I am not going out to buy an e-collar and stick it on my dog to fix his whining. I already knew everything you had to say about the e-collar, however that was not my question.
As pertains to my question, you have no advice. Let's just leave it at that.
 
Hector

Hector

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The only way I can correct Hector's whining is not letting him get what he wants by whining, only when he settles and quiets down. Make sure the dog gets enough mental and physical exercise. If he is bored, have you tried playing tug? When Hector is bored he will go and rip up cardboard boxes. If you can ignore it, then do that. If my dogs whines for too long, I will tell him "no" and wait and if he continues I will tell him "no" again until he gives up.
 
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irina

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Thank you for concrete advice! And yes, I do make sure he has gone for a walk, had a poo and a pee, has had water, and has not been inactive for too long before I insist on him being quiet. Just in case he has a legitimate reason for complaining.
 
Hector

Hector

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Also do you train with treats? Maybe if you trained with food rewards, he would be more motivated to do something when he's told.
 
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