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wow !!!! can any mastiff type dog do this ???

grazefull1

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so i have a friend send me this vid of a amazing stuffy do things out of this world n i was wondering do mastiff type dogs have the ability to do this ? the video is long there a list of videos sorry i meant to only have one lol anyway enjoy
 

grazefull1

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[video=youtube;hOkW5yVlSGc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOkW5yVlSGc&feature=share&list=UUx6n_VtZkUd54SuJio2dK1Q&index=4[/video]
 

grazefull1

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[video=youtube;OYbPmyPDqYE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYbPmyPDqYE&feature=share&list=UUx6n_VtZkUd54SuJio2dK1Q&index=13[/video]
[video=youtube;V_kuJNGI0Xw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_kuJNGI0Xw&feature=share&list=UUx6n_VtZkUd54SuJio2dK1Q&index=10[/video]

my fav one !!!
[video=youtube;cPR37MG_NDE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPR37MG_NDE&feature=share&list=UUx6n_VtZkUd54SuJio2dK1Q&index=18[/video]
[video=youtube;qPyP_7Xuqr0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPyP_7Xuqr0&feature=share&list=UUx6n_VtZkUd54SuJio2dK1Q&index=22[/video]
[video=youtube;ukUW716y3Ng]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukUW716y3Ng&feature=share&list=UUx6n_VtZkUd54SuJio2dK1Q&index=47[/video]
 

grazefull1

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lol wow im glad someone reply i was thinking i mad someone mad by posting this lol yes he does that some true pray drive rite there :p
 

DMikeM

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This dog is well trained and very supple. Not many mastif dogs could compete with him, Maybe a smaller farm bred Boerboel or a CC maybe even a Dogo. But that would be a hard stretch. Any dog that spends time doing this and trained from pup would be very supple and the joints would adapt just like any other animal.
 

tojvan

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Mastiffs are tooo big for this, you need a small compact size dog to do this. A tiger couldn't do what this dog did, but it can still jump 13 feet in the air.
 

grazefull1

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ok well i can dream but not even with the smallest mastiff there is no chance at all :( so basically what u r saying tojvan is mastiff types r just a powerhouse only ??? n nothing more ?
 

tojvan

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ok well i can dream but not even with the smallest mastiff there is no chance at all :( so basically what u r saying tojvan is mastiff types r just a powerhouse only ??? n nothing more ?
No way that's not what I meant there breeds of mastiff that are definitely powerful and athletic; dogo, pressa, fila, cane corso, boerboel are to name some. What I'm saying is that mastiff are a size too big to do some of the things this dog is able to. There are certain things a compact small dog can do that a bigger athletic dog can not. If mastiffs weren't athletic they wouldn't be used for hunting, herding etc
 

joshuagough

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There's not much on that first video you couldn't do with many of the smaller (though they aren't small) Mastiff breeds, not to discredit the dog for his drive to do what he was taught.

With that said a dog shouldn't be jumping off things, just like humans their joints have limits and they aren't designed by nature to take those kind of falls over and over.. that's a huge impact and load on their joints.. can they do it? Sure, will it cause issues down the road? You better believe it.

Mike mentioned training them up from a puppy and having their joints adapt.. the issue with that is nature doesn't work that quick. Like many other animals, if the animal is exposed to something over a given period of time or a task, it can developed traits to aid it in that exposure or task. That doesn't however work over the course of a dogs life, what you'd end up with is a dog with mobility issue's early due to the extreme load put on it's joints.

Same reason I have knee issue's, I started skating as a 7 year old.. jumping of things, acting crazy etc. This progressed into aggressive inline skating thru my early 20's. Your joints break down, they don't adapt.

There's a number of studies out there on working K9's and their training associated with scaling & jumping.. as they have to be kept up to par thru there duty on training/apprehension work. Just as everything else does it takes a toll on the dogs, but it's apart of what they do in their line of work.

The issue you'd run into with Mastiff's is the force is greatly multiplied in our dogs when they jump off thing because of the sheer weight. My male EM has a great vertical jump, and can hit chest high walls without issue.. I don't allow him to jump off them however. I will pick him up and put him on the ground, and one day my back will give out from this also lol.
 

grazefull1

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No way that's not what I meant there breeds of mastiff that are definitely powerful and athletic; dogo, pressa, fila, cane corso, boerboel are to name some. What I'm saying is that mastiff are a size too big to do some of the things this dog is able to. There are certain things a compact small dog can do that a bigger athletic dog can not. If mastiffs weren't athletic they wouldn't be used for hunting, herding etc

ooooh ok yea your rite i cant really c mastiff type dog climbing up walls or walking on really thin board with out falling throught lol so i get the idea thanks lol
 

DMikeM

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Jade can walk and back up an a 4x4 without falling off, next will be getting her to turn around on one. As for developing joints and muscles that can handle this. If 1 human can develop themselves into this in less than a lifetime why can't a dog? All creatures adapt to their environments you just have to try or push. Think of people training for marathons or iron man competitions. This is not evolution it is just training and development. Young men and women train to do parkour in just a few short years they are not humans evolving over generations.
We as humans have sissified our dogs and ruined the structure and durability of them the mastiffs of old were not this fragile or they would be culled or die if they could not live in yesterdays world. I have seen pictures of Boerboels and Dogos doing things that Border Collies do and know of a couple BB that are agility certified champions, they even have Boerboels dong coursing and kicking butt all over smaller dogs. Don't discredit the dog it is more durable than you think, but that is if it has not been dumbed down for the show ring or turned into a couch dog. The Mastiff is a working breed if you don't do something with that then they will fall apart over time and breeding these couch pups ruins the Mastiff.

Some big dogs doing basic agility.
[video=youtube_share;nm2fWt2CpSU]http://youtu.be/nm2fWt2CpSU[/video]
[video=youtube_share;2EOIYRXPA5I]http://youtu.be/2EOIYRXPA5I[/video]
And if a Boerboel can do this what is her limits?
[video=youtube_share;fwwrqaXkZTk]http://youtu.be/fwwrqaXkZTk[/video]

Smaller BB 2 years old just back on after 5 months off.
[video=youtube_share;SNOAmLh4VgQ]http://youtu.be/SNOAmLh4VgQ[/video]
 

joshuagough

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Mike, what working breed Mastiff do you know off that was used to jump of objects to preform these circus tricks...? Having a dog to climb up steel stairs/bars (like in the first video) with the possibility of it falling thru and breaking it's leg or hip is a bad idea.. that in no way proves your dog is a working anything, it just proves bad judgment on the owner IMO.

Don't get me wrong I like a capable dog, but comparing marathon running vs a Mastiff (that's at minim of 100pds) jumping off things is apples and oranges.

In the K9 world most large PD departments depend on R&D from subject matter experts on the fleet they purchase for the dogs, one of the #1 concerns that's listed is vehicle height for the dogs entry & exit. This height is very small in comparison to what these dogs are doing in the video but over the course of time the dog getting in and out takes a toll on it's joints. We were just discussing this on the working forum the other day, many these guys have been training & working with K9s for 20+ years.. there's a reason behind why they do things a certain way.
 
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DMikeM

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Tell me what breed of dog, any dog was bred to do Parkour? The APBT was developed from ratting and bull baiting dogs to become fighting dogs but this one was trained to do the tricks you are talking about. Iron man is not just about running it is the total development of the body so not it is apples and apples. Open your mind to the possibility look at what they can do without the intense training that this APBT has gone through. Email the guy and ask him what he thinks a dog can do. BTW how much does a man doing Parkour weigh? Why is it different from an animal that is supposed to be tougher than man?
 

joshuagough

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None, that was my point. Fighting and jumping are also different things.

I'm not saying this guys dog isn't skilled, I'm sure he spent many hours with him.. that's a good thing. I do however have a difference of opionion when it comes to putting a dogs well being at risk for a YouTube video to impress people.

To each their own, I will agree to disagree on this one.
 

TWW

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Guy I used to work with had a American Pit that did alot of what is shown here. IMO actually climbed better.
When the dog was about 5yrs old he had to put it down, because of extremely bad spine issues.
 

Theminblack

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My Bullmastiff does this stuff all the time...At least that's what I think he's doing when he's sleeping and starts making funny noises while wiggling his legs around. :D