Breeders! Breeding and Rear sets

[ruby55]

I see the same thing in Bullmastiffs, the fact that a "weak" back end is present doesn't bother me so much as some people being seemingly blind to the faults in the back end. I don't believe ANY dog is perfect, they all have one or some "weak point(s)". It seems to me that so much focus is being put on the front end of the BM that the back end is being neglected.

What bothers me is seeing a breeder breeding a weak back end to a weak back end. To me, that is like stating to the world that you don't see a problem with it. Straight stifles, high rumps and roach backs to one degree or another are all over the BM show world.

Rodeo I don't know if you show in AKC conformation, but here's the skinny: in the judges' criterion for bm's there is absolutely NOTHING regarding rear ends. No "the dog must be this way, or that way". The rear end is not mentioned at all. Ruby (the fawn pictured above) attended a workshop for judges last week. Two experienced judges were working with three people, working on apprenticeships(?) to judge. When they examined Ruby, the apprentices all commented on her rear. The judges all said, "But look at her head & shoulders! Beautiful!" So until the standards are changed for this breed, I think you're going to see dogs like Ruby over & over.

DD: While Ruby doesn't strain to sit, it's almost like she has to think about it. Usually, if I give Ruby a command, it's immediate response. When I say "sit", it's almost like she has to think about what muscles she has to use to obey the command. It just takes a few seconds to gather her stick-straight legs under her. I have to leave for work soon, but I'll try to get a video sometime this week. And yes; I'm very afraid of what will happen in a few years with her. Is she going to be in constant pain? Will she lose the ability to walk or run? It's a wait & see situation. I'm sorry I didn't think to ask her mother's breeder about the dogs in the pedigree that were afflicted with this, so I would know what to expect. I was so shocked that this was in Ruby's line somewhere, & that it might be a hereditary condition, that I just didn't think to ask.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

That's interesting Ruby I can't wait to see the video. So its not just her hesitating?? ( Thor would do that to me LOL)

 

[rodeo3113]

Rodeo I don't know if you show in AKC conformation, but here's the skinny: in the judges' criterion for bm's there is absolutely NOTHING regarding rear ends. No "the dog must be this way, or that way". The rear end is not mentioned at all. Ruby (the fawn pictured above) attended a workshop for judges last week. Two experienced judges were working with three people, working on apprenticeships(?) to judge. When they examined Ruby, the apprentices all commented on her rear. The judges all said, "But look at her head & shoulders! Beautiful!" So until the standards are changed for this breed, I think you're going to see dogs like Ruby over & over.

DD: While Ruby doesn't strain to sit, it's almost like she has to think about it. Usually, if I give Ruby a command, it's immediate response. When I say "sit", it's almost like she has to think about what muscles she has to use to obey the command. It just takes a few seconds to gather her stick-straight legs under her. I have to leave for work soon, but I'll try to get a video sometime this week. And yes; I'm very afraid of what will happen in a few years with her. Is she going to be in constant pain? Will she lose the ability to walk or run? It's a wait & see situation. I'm sorry I didn't think to ask her mother's breeder about the dogs in the pedigree that were afflicted with this, so I would know what to expect. I was so shocked that this was in Ruby's line somewhere, & that it might be a hereditary condition, that I just didn't think to ask.

I have noticed that with the breed standard and find it to be absolutely shocking. That's also why their hips are getting more and more narrow which is going to turn the Bullmastiff into the next "C-Section Only" Breed. If you want some advice on a few things that may help Ruby, shoot me a message.

 

[ruby55]

Rodeo most bm bitches are c-section already, also AI to impregnate them. Too risky. Also they're seeing serious problems coming up with respiration due to the fashionable shovel-nose look. They look like someone hit them in the face with a shovel. Their muzzles are supposed to be square shaped, as well as their skulls, bodies, & necks. It's a problem, because many judges are attracted to the huge front/no snout look.

 

[rodeo3113]

Rodeo most bm bitches are c-section already, also AI to impregnate them. Too risky. Also they're seeing serious problems coming up with respiration due to the fashionable shovel-nose look. They look like someone hit them in the face with a shovel. Their muzzles are supposed to be square shaped, as well as their skulls, bodies, & necks. It's a problem, because many judges are attracted to the huge front/no snout look.

I know it's (c-section)sometimes needed but I wasn't aware that the word "most" was involved...Ick! And the shorter and shorter muzzles...AGREED! Specifically states in the standard, "No reversion to the Bull Dog" I see more Winning BM's looking like tall English Bulldogs with high butts, straight legs and a ridiculously long neck.

 

[WalnutCrest]

Most bitches shouldn't be bred. And, even fewer boys should be bred. Proximity should not be in the top 10 reasons one male is picked over another.

Good luck to you (and your Ruby).