Cafib 35th anniversary show

[Tiger12490]

Well said. Most Filas, both hard and even tempered will fold under that kind of pressure. Reason being is that like all dogs they have a genetic predisposition to choose flight over fight. The dogs that will stay do so because they are conditioned to so with small steps basing the fight drive on prey and defense. They learn that they never lose. For the Fila, the display is more than enough and 99% of all the home security anyone would ever need.
My buddy and I 'broke' into each others houses with bite suits on and tested our Filas in as a real world scenario as we could possibly stage. I had a male that met him at the door and engaged beautifully but several whacks over the nose with the bamboo sticks made him release, back up and charge again but not engage. I was happy with that as it would deter anything coming thru the door. I had another female that met him at the door, engaged and bailed under the pressure. And the third Fila, met him at the door, and was maniacal all the way thru, she never broke or backed up, and kept coming. My dogs were basically 1 for three. My buddy went 1 for 4 at his house. So together we had 2 out of 7 that help up. I think those would be fairly accurate across the board.
My female was black. Sort of fitting for the original post on this thread. That is priceless. S

Some dogs will fight through anything because they are born with it....id rather take a dog that has no urge to run from the stick even after a decent roughing up first time out then one I have to convince into it...

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[slim12]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And everyone is entitled to play the odds, even if the odds are against them. Your thought process puts the odds against you. The actuality of a dog choosing fight over flight without training seldom happens. It is a gradual process. A barking dog is as much home security as most need. A big black dog increases your odds of the burglar choosing your home. A Fila type dog that puts on a display if the 'joint is being cased' and there is not a crack head in the world that will try that dog. But, even at 1 in a million odds, if the guy is one of those freaks on bath salts, and he is coming no matter, odds are your choice in the type of dog will leave you on the short end of the stick. We tested 7 pretty good dogs, mature and well bred, previously temperamnet tested and 6 of the 7 passed a temperamnet test. But in a real world scenario 5 of 7 checked out/bailed when the pressure was applied. A true service type dog that is conditioned to 'win' each battle, and groomed for those particular situations will put the odds so much more in ones favor. if playing blackjack you are saying keep those two face cards, give me a couple of deuces and I will battle from there. S

 

[slim12]

A big black dog increases your odds of the burglar choosing your home.....should say not choosing your home....S

 

[chuckorlando]

hahahahaha. I wondered where you got them statistics. ahahaha

 

[AKBull]

A big black dog increases your odds of the burglar choosing your home.....should say not choosing your home....S

Why is that? Burglar figuring you have something you're trying to protect?

 

[slim12]

No. I was just showing the effects of having dogs/different types of dogs that provide different levels of home security. Big black dogs pose more danger to the would-be intruder. Dogs that put on a display, barking and aggression, will deter 99% of the would-be burglars. S

 

[fila4me]

last summer we had a wicked storm,Derecho, most of our area was out of power for weeks.I had come home to get clothes and take care of the dogs,the police were going door to door to see who were still in their homes.when they got to my house the dogs went CRAZY.they kind of stood back and watched in amazement,they were telling us about home break ins in our area.one of the officers stated that I already had all the deterent I needed to thwart of potential bad guys!!!

 

[chuckorlando]

Yea a fila show aint like others. It aint just barking ahahahaha. They look like your on the menu

 

[fila4me]

Yea a fila show aint like others. It aint just barking ahahahaha. They look like your on the menu

for sure!!hehehehe

 

[slim12]

My wife had a male that could put on a display like none other. I mean you would think he would tear the door down to get you. If you opened the door the switch flipped the other way and he was like scooby doo. He didn't have a "temperament' bone in his body. Absolutely none. But the display was just about all the the deterrent one could ask for out of a dog so the police were right about your dog. S

 

[fila4me]

with my older girl,she is all about display.the pup,now she is a different story,she is totally serious and is like a little alligator.she is still learning about what is ok and what is not.in all of my years of having Filas,I have never had an adult with my older girls temp.funny thing is her parents and siblings have strong temp.my kids call her Marmaduke and her antics are just as goofy!

 

[Gunny]

last summer we had a wicked storm,Derecho, most of our area was out of power for weeks.I had come home to get clothes and take care of the dogs,the police were going door to door to see who were still in their homes.when they got to my house the dogs went CRAZY.they kind of stood back and watched in amazement,they were telling us about home break ins in our area.one of the officers stated that I already had all the deterent I needed to thwart of potential bad guys!!!

That's what I'm talking about. The truth is though, that my EM goes into that mode when someone comes to our door, or god forbid, into our backyard while he's inside. Even though I'm pretty sure he'd never actually attack, I'm sure his bark alone is enough to deter most criminals. It's the threat that usually deters, not the actual attack. That being said, I still plan on owning a Fila someday. Until then, and after, I have my 1911, CW45, Python, etc. etc. to protect me and my family.

 

[dogman#1]

I love that picture... unlike the usual ridiculous portrayal that is being shown here CAFIB allows ALL dogs in a CAFIB show. the reason to attend a CAFIB show is for the evaluation process and to see how your dog stacks up against the standard. so trust me that guy is not a gate crasher but someone who was cordially invited to attend. BTW there are plenty of other pics of that guy and dog that are also great pics, you should put them up and ask everyone there what a great time they had together. That pic was originally posted to show that everyone is cool with each other but of course someone had to twist it as a negative..good job... there is always one of those in the group.

for the rejects that take one story and take only bits and pieces to tell, you really should tell the other parts like: the dog was very young when it crashed through the window, the person didnt get bit as he ran away and that the dog in question was heavily socialized and obedience trained afterwards and you can now have a normal conversation from a safe distance... YES, you do have some out of control ones that are raised in isolation (farms and rural areas) that the owners may not have put work into them and are therefore uncontrollable by the owners but the ones that live in a fairly populated area like mine and suzy's dogs have to be socialized... BTW socialized does not mean being let lose in home with strangers or that a stranger can touch them, just that they dont go bezerk at half a block away while you are trying to walk them.

Slim is correct when he stated that many dont back up bark... that is why it is even MORE important to do a proper nervous system test then it is to do a regular test for ojeriza.. he also stated that a black dog is more of a deterrent... true, studies have shown that more people are afraid of black dogs then say a reg fawn dog.

There is a difference between courage and confidence... a dog that lacks courage cannot be "conditioned" to do something w/o going into some sort of shock, just wont happen. A dog that has courage but lacks confidence CAN be conditioned to effectively scale that obstacle whether it be a flight of stairs or staying in the fight with a would be intruder. some dogs have it all and are so sure of themselves that they do not need to be trained or conditioned. Now does this mean that an untrained Fila could be as effective as a dog that has been conditioned and trained since about 4 mths old to fight a bad guy off effectively? NO!!!!! like it was stated 99% of people wont break in with a huge dog at the window, fewer would stay in if they saw the display and unless they were wearing a padded K9 protection suit when they broke in they would not be staying for a second or third bite. I have heard of many breakins in my life but not one with a full padded k9 suit and if it were to happen that way then the guy/girl would know how to disable the dog anyway and the training wouldn't matter at that point, lol.

 

[aceoutdoor]

Juan its a joke. Don't be such a buzzkill.

 

[slim12]

I didn't know what the picture was suppose to depict, but either way it was funny. I am neither pro or con in regards to either organization. I like good dogs. Neither organization or neither mind set has a monopoly on the good Filas. It is hard for a lot of people to understand these dog are not 'super man' dogs with unstoppable will. Just simply not true. They have genetic pre-disposition to survive. In stressful situations the overwhelming majority of dogs will bail. It is nature. What happens with the service type dogs (police/military) is that these dogs have been perpetuated with selective breeding. And even though the success rates are not 100% they are higher than 'working dogs who are bred for show results'.
The Fila is no different. Their display, regardless of how long it lasts or how much pressure it will withstand, is more than enough security/home defense for anyone. The issue is that people love their dogs so much they see this 'display' and truly believe their dog will be there for them to the end. That is simply not true. There are very few who test these dogs to a point to see which ones 'last' the longest under pressure. The dogs that last will be the minority and the minority should be the gene pool to go forward with in perpetuating the breed. It just does not happen that way. But that is a different topic altogether. S

 

[chuckorlando]

I agree. Iv'e said for a while now that a temp test is just an indicator. Your still left with nothing but an un proven theory. That being said, if they will bite or not is secondary in 99% of cases. They look ferocious when they turn on. I know Kona will bite. But kick her in the head it may be a whole new game. And you cant really test for that. Even slap sticks aint real pain.

 

[slim12]

I get a few messages here and there about whether I inflict pain during these tests we did. Absolutely and I mean absolutely not. I add pressure. Pressure is applied with the fighting back while they are in hold, hitting them with the bamboo strips, moving, and making the focus and re-focus. The pressure builds over time. With proper breeding, raising and training the length of time the dogs continues as the pressure builds lengthens. That is the end goal as no man can stand what they bring.
Not that Mike Tyson was a great mind of our time, I give him credit because he did say, "Everybody has a plan until they get hit in the face", or thereabouts. The entire premise is to put the odds in your favor. Most of the time the just having the dog is all one needs, the display will deter 99% of the ill-willed. The odds of seeing that 1% are slim. But being prepared for that 1% is a good idea as well.

 

[Tiger12490]

I get a few messages here and there about whether I inflict pain during these tests we did. Absolutely and I mean absolutely not. I add pressure. Pressure is applied with the fighting back while they are in hold, hitting them with the bamboo strips, moving, and making the focus and re-focus. The pressure builds over time. With proper breeding, raising and training the length of time the dogs continues as the pressure builds lengthens. That is the end goal as no man can stand what they bring.
Not that Mike Tyson was a great mind of our time, I give him credit because he did say, "Everybody has a plan until they get hit in the face", or thereabouts. The entire premise is to put the odds in your favor. Most of the time the just having the dog is all one needs, the display will deter 99% of the ill-willed. The odds of seeing that 1% are slim. But being prepared for that 1% is a good idea as well.

There are tons of people who test with a little pain. Do you think that is wrong when they do?

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[slim12]

If it is measured. Sort of like saying it is OK to kick the dog. (Just to use a number but it has no relevance nor meaning) If I kick the dog with 20 pounds of force the next guy's kick may be 40 pounds of force. So a kick is not a kick. I do not see any problem with using pain to train or correct a dog as long as it is sharp, quick and never long lasting. Electric collars border on this. Shock collars on hunting dogs etc.. Those are more controlled. I whack really hard with the bamboo stripsticks and it makes more noise than anything. I have never hit a dog hard enough with something that may hurt/injure him. One it is just not right, and two, it would normally set the dog back in training weeks and even months and if it hurt bad enough the dog may never recover. I am not sure if that answers or not. Sort of yes and no. S

 

[dogman#1]

O.K got a lil more info on that black dog at the CAFIB show.. needless to say, the dog failed but the owner took him all the way through the evaluation process. the dog ended up having no temperament however everyone thought he was such a cool dog that he hung out with everyone... even Zanetti (CAFIB judge) was holding his leash and walking with him. Glad everyone had a good time and no one got butt hurt (happens sometimes).