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Dogue De Bordeaux Eating habits / Weight

I have a 10 week old Dogue De Bordeaux. I have had her 8 days now. She weighed 16Lbs at 9 weeks when we got her from the breeder. She now weights 18.5 lb 8 days later. I believe that this is normal.

She ate fine when we brought her home. The breeder sent us home with about a day's supply of Royal Canin Giant breed puppy. I had researched previously and decided that Fromms Gold Puppy large breed food would be a better choice. Less fillers and it has the appropriate amount of Calcium for giant breeds.

I mixed the Royal Canin with the new food for about a day and a half until it ran out and then switched her to the Fromms. She ate fine for 2 days with the new food and had solid stool. I thought all was well and then on the 4th day she seemed disinterested in her food. She went almost an entire day without eating. I was concerned so I mixed her food with 2 tablespoons of Innova Large Breed Puppy canned food. As soon as I did that, she ate just fine. I have continued to do this for the past 4 days and she has eaten the recommended amount.

Now, today she seems disinterested in her food again. Even if I mix it with the 2 tablespoons of the wet. She does not even seem interested in her training treats that I use to reward/praise her when she goes outside. Any thoughts/help/advice is appreciated. I hope this is just a stage. Thanks
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Mastiff pups do not need puppy food. They can eat the large breed food.

Try adding some plain yogurt, coconut oil or olive oil to her food. You also may want to add some cooked meat without the bone.

Mastiffs will stop eating because of stress, heat or they just do not want to eat. As long as the pup is drinking, going potty and playing normally, do not fret it. Pup will eat when she is hungry.

If she is not doing the above things normally, then you may want to have her checked out at the vet. Has she been dewormed?
 
Yes, she was wormed last saturday and we picked her up last Sunday. She has an appointment in 2 weeks for her next set of shots and another worming as per the Vet's reccomendation. He also said that the Fromms large breed puppy was a good choice so I suppose that I will stick with it.

She is playing when she is awake. She does sleep a lot but again, I think that is pretty normal for a 10 week old pup. 3 hours of sleep followed by 15-20 minutes of active play and then another nap.

He coat is nice and otherwise she seems healthy. The only think I have noticed is that her nose runs from time to time.

Any other tips/advice from a seasoned owner is appreciated. I have always had labs in the past so this is our first dog of this type.
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Word of advice, vets do not know about feeding a pup. Vets will usually tell you buy food that they are receiving stipends from the dog food company. Just saying...

Yes, pups will sleep a lot. Get ready, your pup will grow really fast. Mastiffs continue to grow until age 2-3 yrs old.

Here's some info for new mastiff pups.

The following tips/suggestions are based on my experience as a dog mommy, forum member’s posts and volunteering at an animal shelter for a year.

*CRATE THE PUP

You want to crate train the pup. Make sure you have a blanket, stuffed animal (about their size) and white noise (ticking clock or ipod with soft music) so the pup can sleep. The pup is used to cuddling with siblings.

*SECURE THE PUP NEAR THE FAMILY

You want to keep the pup in a room with a family member. Mastiffs need to be near their family members.

*FOOD

Find out what kind of food the shelter/rescue/breeder was feeding the pup and continue to feed it to the pup until you transition to a newer food, if you want. Most shelters/rescues use the cheapest food, meaning it is not very good for the pup.

Slow transition to the new food is as follows to prevent diarrhea. If at any time during the transition, the pup has diarrhea return to previous amounts of food per feeding.

Amount per feeding:

Day 1-4 ¾ cup of old food and ¼ cup of new food.

Day 5-9 ½ cup of old food and ½ cup of new food.

Day 10-14 ¾ cup of new food and ¼ cup of old food

Day 15 Start 100% of new food

Generally, mastiffs are allergic to grain and chicken found in kibble. There are a number of posts on the forum regarding kibble for your new pup. Do a search for food to check them out.

You can check www.dogfoodadvisor.com www.dogfoodanalysis.com On this forum, Smart_Family is our resident food guru.

http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/05/31/large-dog-feeding-mistakes.aspx

You may want to check out the raw diet for your pup. Do a forum search for raw or raw diet.

Check out Dr. Becker’s videos on youtube.com for a lot of great information regarding the raw diet.

*PUP NOT EATING WHEN YOU FIRST BRING THEM HOME

They not used to their new environment and this is a natural behavior. Take the pup to a quiet place at meal times and sit and hand feed the pup. This will help the pup to eat when they are placed in a calm atmosphere, helps you to bond with the pup and helps the pup establish trust with you. As they become settled, they will naturally follow your routine.

*GETTING THE PUP USED TO THE LEASH

You want to keep the leash on the pup for a few hours each day while in the house so they gets used to it. This will help when you try to walk him outside.

*PROTECT THE PUP FROM DISEASE

Keep the pup in your yard and place newspapers down where they will walk on the ground. Keep the pup away from dog areas unless they have had their 2nd set of shots, leaving the pup prone to infection with Parvo or other illnesses. This is very important!

*HOUSE TRAINING YOUR PUP

http://www.aspca.org/pet-care/virtual-pet-behaviorist/dog-behavior/house-training-your-puppy

*TRAINING YOUR PUP

Start basic commands. Train for about 5 minutes per day and slowy increase the training time. Teach one command at a time. Once they master one command, move onto another command.


Number one command is sit. Teach the pup to sit, by placing a treat in front of his head and move it to the back causing him to sit to get the treat. When the pup sits, tell them good sit and give them the treat.

Second command should be "focus/look" This will help you tremendously when the pup is over 100 lbs. Put the pup into sit. With a treat in your hand (let the pup smell it), put the treat up to your eyes and tell the pup to look or focus. They may only do this for about 1-2 seconds. As soon as they look at your eyes, tell them good look or good focus and give the treat. Some mastiffs (DDBs generally) do not like to look anyone in the eyes for long because that means a challenge to them. Titan is up to 35 seconds of looking at me.

Other commands are stay, come, leave it and drop it.

When you are training and when the pup does not do as you ask, then tell him no no no and redirect back to command in a normal voice. The only time a stern and somewhat loud NO should be used is when they are doing something that can cause harm to themselves or others.

For example, when I'm doing the look at me training with Titan. He will look at me and then his eyes will move to the left or right. I say, "no no no, look at me" and he returns to the look to my eyes.

When they do what you want them to do, get all giddy and excited and say, "Yes, good look!" I clap, giggle, and sometimes do a little dance. My dog looks at me like, really woman?

Mastiffs can be extremely stubborn and if you get frustrated with them, they will shut down. Mastiffs do not do well with yelling or hitting. Hitting can result in some unwanted mastiff behavior meaning fear aggression, which equals biting.

*EXERCISE

Puppies can exercise with natural movements and free play like running, stretching, playing on soft surfaces (grass and dirt). This type of exercise is actually healthy and good for their developing bodies but they do need to be able to pace themselves.

Structured exercise/play on hard surfaces and where they don't have they ability to pace themselves is where you need to be very careful. This type of exercise could harm the pup’s joints and bones. Puppies should not do any heavy exercise or walking for the first 1-2 years.

Stairs should be maneuvered while on leash (even in the house) especially going down the stairs. Stairs should have carpet or rubber matting to give the pup traction.

Most mastiffs (DDBs especially) can be very lazy but they still need to exercise. Puppies should not be walked for more than 15-20 minutes for the first 1-3months and do your best to avoid heavy running or jumping for the first 1-2 years. Generally, the amount of time to exercise is 10 minutes per each month of age.

Excessive jumping, running and long walks (1-2 hours) can cause hip, elbow, knee and joint injuries.

*PUPPY BITING/NIPPING/AROUND CHILDREN

Do not allow children and pup on the floor together. Pup will see them as playmates and nip at them. Picture the pup playing with their siblings.

Keep the pup on leash while the children are on the floor so you can have control of the pup.

If you puppy is biting/nipping, then try the following. This behavior can sometimes take a lot of patience and consistency in training.

They bite because that is how they played with their siblings.
When they bite, tell them “OW” in a high-pitched voice and “NO” in a stern, calm voice. NEVER HIT OR YELL AT A MASTIFF. They will shut down on you and ignore you.

When the pup stops biting, tell them to sit and reward. Tell him “good sit and good no bite.”

*YOUR PUP AND HEAT

Remember, mastiffs do not tolerate heat. In the heat, reduce walk/exercise times. Have clean water available at all times. I freeze towels to either place on Titan or put on the floor for him to lie on in the summer to cool him off. Buy a kiddies’ pool for the pup to play in to keep cool.

*DE-SEXING YOUR PUP

Mastiffs should not be neutered/spayed until 18 months to 2 years. NO MATTER what the vet says. Early neutering can cause growth problems.

Enjoy your baby! Have lots of patience! The pup will reward you with love and loyalty!
 
Thanks for all of the info.

My vet is not commercial at all in regard to the food. He sells no food at his office. I really do trust his judgement. I also looked at the ingredients in the large breed fromms puppy and fromms large breed formula. They both seem like high quality foods with the puppy just having a little higher calories and a little less calcium. I forgot to add that I am also giving her salmon oil in liquid form on her food.

We started her in the crate from day 1 and she is already used to it. I work from home so she is with me most of the day.

Thanks again. I am going to look all of this over this evening.
 
Good news! Charlie is back to eating 100% normal today. Don't really know what it was but she is full of energy with good appetiete today.

Does anyone know if her weight is about right for a 10week old DDB?
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Great news! Her weight will depend on her parent's weight. She will continue to grow until 2-3 yrs old.

Looks like she gained 2.5 lbs in a week, that sounds about right.
 
She is 14 weeks today and just shy of 29Lbs. From what I am reading, this is normal or maybe slightly on the small side (which is fine with me!) She was the runt of a litter of 17. Anyone with input, I welcome it.

Also.. I am supplementing Glucosamine & Chondroitin 500MG per day and she also gets fish oil with her dry food once a day. Should I be giving vitamins?
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Totally up to you if you want to give vitamins but her food should be giving her the necessary vitamins.