Ear Cropping in Canada

[ruby55]

http://www.thedogfiles.com/2012/02/17/manitoba-canada-bans-dog-ear-cropping/

 

[ruby55]

So correct me if I'm wrong; this isn't a LAW, that dogs' ears cannot be cropped; but more like a policy from the veterinary association. So if you could find a vet that would do it, it still wouldn't result in breaking the law. BTW the pic of that doberman looks so different with floppy ears!

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

They have banned it here by threatening any vets that perform the procedures with losing their license and anyone that used to dock and crop at home (not that I am advocating that at all) but there are some old school breeders do at least dock at home, with animal cruelty charges. So here vets will not perform anything here even if it isn't a law.

 

[ruby55]

So your puppies are not cropped, I assume. I peeked at your website; these dogs are beautiful. And while I don't think I'd have my dog cropped/docked, I have a friend who breeds & shows boxers. She swears that an uncropped boxer is invisible in the ring. Do you find a difference in how your dogs are judged if they're not cropped/docked?

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Our show dogs are done but we drove 11 hours into the next province to have them done. I prefer the look of a cropped dog and currently not having a cropped one against cropped dogs I think you are at a disadvantage because the judges are used to seeing cropped/docked dogs and tend to over look the ones that aren't. The pets we do not do unless specifically asked to have the ears done, the silky ears are nice too and I have no problem with them and if I couldn't crop then I couldn't do it but I do find it does change the appearance of the dog some.

 

[NeoBull]

I think it's silly that people get so up in arms over cropping a DOG. But no one tries to ban circumcision on helpless HUMAN infants. We even had a neighbor that had both of his sons ears pinned back as young children (totally cosmetic with no religious justification), way to young (between like 3 and 5 I think?) to really have a say or opinion about it, and I've heard that it's one of the most painful plastic surgeries out there, no one bans this?

My Dobermans will be cropped as long as I legally can find a cropped Dobe! They're sedated for it, it heals in less than a week, my Doberman has no sensitivity issues with his ears (he lets the babies chew on them!), he's never had an ear infection (unlike my hound!), I feel he is BETTER able to show his expressions /he's easier to read than an uncropped dog (in some senses it's MORE natural... look at wolves, canids are supposed to have prick ears I kind of see it as fixing the mistake humans made in breeding floppy eared dogs.

My cropped boy

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[Duetsche_Doggen]

People just thinks its cruel and pointless. While I do like the crop look I don't think I could do it. Thor was older when I got him and was left uncropped. My next dane will be the same left uncropped.

 

[Bentley]

The issue with ear cropping in the UK was that too many untrained people were doing it and some dogs suffered quite severely with infections, or cuts being to deep into the ear etc.

 

[Oak Hill Farm]

It think it is owners choice and I think governments have better ways to spend their time and money.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

It think it is owners choice and I think governments have better ways to spend their time and money.

Completely agree. I don't do them all because I want people to be able to chose but I don't like someone telling me that I can crop mine Really sucked to have to drive 11 hours to get them done but they turned out well so I can't complain.

 

[Cody]

A friend here shows her dog that is uncropped and yes the judge didn't even give it a second look. The one day she showed better then ANY of the other dogs in the ring, mine included, but we still beat her. It is a disapointment.
I however will not have an uncropped Corso. I love the presence they have, with ears it detracts from their expression.

 

[Mickey48]

The only reasons for cropping were ear infection prevention and dog fighting.
For point one we have proper ear medication on the market and usualy watch our dogs behaving more often and notice the signs of an infection earlier instead of 1890 and older ages where the human-dog-interaction often washttp://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/straitened.html straitened at feeding and de- or attaching the chain and infections often leaded to death because of the lack of medication, and point two is forbidden.
So, there's no rational reason for cropping in Canada.
But why are we still want to crop?
Because we're used to it.
Everything new we see our brain first calls "ugly", that's a natural instintive reflex from times where we lived in Caves and had to be extra carefull so we wouldn't end up as the dinner of something else, so nothing to worry about that.
As soon as our brain is used to that sight the "ugly" reflex gets weaker and weaker until its vanished completely.
When your used to women with long natural hair or a specific dresscode you'll recieve the same "ugly" reflex when a woman with short green and lilac hair or someone in an unusual outfit (a grown up man in a pink law suit with baby blue teddy bears on it for example) walks by as on an ucropped Dobie when you're used to cropped ones.
The No Cropping law came out around twenty years ago in Germany, and today it's just normal to see uncropped dogs.
I think the same will happen to Canada, someday it just gets normal.
But the picture of the uncropped Dobie in the articel is not weel taken, there are much better ones of uncropped dobies than this example.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

The only reasons for cropping were ear infection prevention and dog fighting.
For point one we have proper ear medication on the market and usualy watch our dogs behaving more often and notice the signs of an infection earlier instead of 1890 and older ages where the human-dog-interaction often was straitened at feeding and de- or attaching the chain and infections often leaded to death because of the lack of medication, and point two is forbidden.
So, there's no rational reason for cropping in Canada.
But why are we still want to crop?
Because we're used to it.
Everything new we see our brain first calls "ugly", that's a natural instintive reflex from times where we lived in Caves and had to be extra carefull so we wouldn't end up as the dinner of something else, so nothing to worry about that.
As soon as our brain is used to that sight the "ugly" reflex gets weaker and weaker until its vanished completely.
When your used to women with long natural hair or a specific dresscode you'll recieve the same "ugly" reflex when a woman with short green and lilac hair or someone in an unusual outfit (a grown up man in a pink law suit with baby blue teddy bears on it for example) walks by as on an ucropped Dobie when you're used to cropped ones.
The No Cropping law came out around twenty years ago in Germany, and today it's just normal to see uncropped dogs.
I think the same will happen to Canada, someday it just gets normal.
But the picture of the uncropped Dobie in the articel is not weel taken, there are much better ones of uncropped dobies than this example.

I certainly hope that we do not go the way of most countries in Europe and are still allowed the freedom of choice. I have both un-cropped and cropped dogs in my house and I don't find either of them ugly, but I do have a preference for the cropped look and if I can not do it in my area than I will travel to have it done.

I know there is a previous post telling of wild dogs not having floppy ears and I there are many more people who are still willing to argue the point but in the end I do not want my freedom of chose taken away anymore than anyone else would for something they deem worthy of fighting for.

 

[Cody]

For my chosen breed, they have been cropped/docked as long as they have been in known.
The images in ancient literature and statues that predate society as we know it show them (or at least the type) cropped/docked. It is my choice to maintain that look, it is part of what originally drew me to the breed.
The regal expression is what makes people pull their cars over and get out to talk to me about them, it is what stops people dead in their tracks.
My first CC had ears and a tail, and although I loved her dearly, it alters the look completely.
I find it interesting that the large majority of those who oppose crop/dock and support the ban are those with breeds who are not traditionally cropped/docked. Therefore are not affected by the change, it is typical however, it is usually those unaffected that yell the loudest.

As for cruel, couldn't then you say the same about spay/neuter surgeries? Spaying removes the ovaries, Fallopian tubes and uterus, that sounds pretty severe. I know I will probably get attacked for that one, but really... is it a necessary surgery? I have 3 intact dogs in my home and have NEVER had an accident. It is about being responsible and aware of/for our pets. I am by no means saying it shouldn't be done, I am just asking a question.
It is my believe that there are WAY bigger issues that the CVMA should be banding together to fight then crop/dock.
Like...I dunno...shutting down puppy mills/BYB's and pushing health testing on breeding dogs... just to name a few.

The only reasons for cropping were ear infection prevention and dog fighting.
For point one we have proper ear medication on the market and usualy watch our dogs behaving more often and notice the signs of an infection earlier instead of 1890 and older ages where the human-dog-interaction often was straitened at feeding and de- or attaching the chain and infections often leaded to death because of the lack of medication, and point two is forbidden.
So, there's no rational reason for cropping in Canada.
But why are we still want to crop?
Because we're used to it.
Everything new we see our brain first calls "ugly", that's a natural instintive reflex from times where we lived in Caves and had to be extra carefull so we wouldn't end up as the dinner of something else, so nothing to worry about that.
As soon as our brain is used to that sight the "ugly" reflex gets weaker and weaker until its vanished completely.
When your used to women with long natural hair or a specific dresscode you'll recieve the same "ugly" reflex when a woman with short green and lilac hair or someone in an unusual outfit (a grown up man in a pink law suit with baby blue teddy bears on it for example) walks by as on an ucropped Dobie when you're used to cropped ones.
The No Cropping law came out around twenty years ago in Germany, and today it's just normal to see uncropped dogs.
I think the same will happen to Canada, someday it just gets normal.
But the picture of the uncropped Dobie in the articel is not weel taken, there are much better ones of uncropped dobies than this example.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

I agree with Oak Hill that it should be the owners choice, overall.

However Cody I agree with you on the S/N, people tend to think that the surgery will somehow "fix" behavior issues. Again its a choice, however I should not be thought of anything less because my dogs aren't S/N. Personally I don't believe in putting a healthy dog under surgery just to remove its genitals. Yes there are millions of animals being PTS because of over population, but what does that have to do with me? This is the outcome of negligent animal owners. If I am responsible in ensuring that my dog is trained/under control, does not roam, or put in any other situation that could contribute to unwanted litters than I am doing my part.

Anyway I won't turn this into a S/N debate either, but the over all point is that as an owner I have a right to make that choice.

 

[Mickey48]

I don't think it'll be a big deal, of course some protesting here and there in the first two years, but all in all without tragical escalations and someday it's normal.
I don't know yet how Canada will handle it, but here (and in Austria and Switzerland) it#s realy strict, Vets who crop loose their licence and you can get sued or even get in jail for around a year for bringing dogs from No-crop-areas into Pro-crop-areas just for cropping.
In fact I think that most of us wouldn't stop loving a breed just because their ears are intact now, it's still the same breed, just with floppy ears.

 

[Cody]

In order to do that the CKC would have to have restrictions on showing cropped/docked dogs like many EU countries have.
However the Canadian Kennel Clubs financial situation would not allow them to do that. The number of entries that would be lost, including dogs from the USA that come up to show would be disastrous. I know where I live, in Alberta, it would be a slippery slope to ban crop/dock. This is cattle country and once you start talking banning surgical procedures... The backlash could ruin many families.
But time will tell, however I cannot see ANY legalities in regards to importing dogs that are C/D or going out of Province/Country.
As is there are so few vets that can perform the surgery here I know a very good Boxer breeder who takes their pups to Toronto to be done.

 

[Mickey48]

Here every dog born before the day when the Cropping ban became Law (1 May 1992) were allowed to be cropped and could be bred and perform in the Show ring for lifetime (breeding females is allowed until they're eight years old to protect them of overbreeding and the pups for loosing their mothers while birth, because giving birth is much more exhausting to "older" dogs), but every dog born after the deadline had to stay with "intact" ears.
When a dog born after the deadline got cropped, the owner got sued (one even got inprosoned for cropping two whole litters) and the dog had a lifetime show ring ban.
It worked quite well here, the gene pool doesn't got smaller and the "new" litters stayed intact.