Going rate for a behaviorist?

[Hector]

If you can do 1 session and go from there, then I don't see what the harm is in trying it out that way if that's even an option.

 

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Jeff Gellman offers Skype sessions.

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Why do u think he's not welcoming non family members? Are u doing anything different with how u are living with/leading Oscar? If he's suddenly feeling the need to protect the house that, in my opinion, is a cause to look at why he feels the need to lead/protect instead of allowing u to lead him. Maybe it's something as simple as getting back to basics and reinforcing rules, boundaries and limitations. Adding more structure. Tightening up the discipline.


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Also, what do u do and what do u do with Oscar when non family come over?


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[Bob Felts]

We hired one out of Purdue @ 150.00/Hr.

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What are your expectations for Oscar when ppl come over?


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[Boxergirl]

I strongly think this is a situation that requires a trainer/behaviorist to be involved personally. A video is not the same as seeing the behavior in person. If I recall correctly, this has gone from one minor incident and escalated to him not allowing non family members over. To me that says it's time for professional help. In person.

Oscar's Mom, my initial consult was $150 and then we worked out a plan based upon that initial visit. I would not shell out $700 without having an initial consult to see if you agree with the methods, etc. I also agree that a trainer may be more helpful than a behaviorist, but not necessarily. It depends on the individual. My behaviorist was also a certified trainer, so I had both.

 

[Oscar'sMom]

Why do u think he's not welcoming non family members? Are u doing anything different with how u are living with/leading Oscar? If he's suddenly feeling the need to protect the house that, in my opinion, is a cause to look at why he feels the need to lead/protect instead of allowing u to lead him. Maybe it's something as simple as getting back to basics and reinforcing rules, boundaries and limitations. Adding more structure. Tightening up the discipline. Carpe Diem

I totally agree with you. I'm honestly not sure what changed. Yesterday we had a friend come over and friend was instructed prior to coming to ignore Oscar. He hasn't seen him in probably 9 months but spent a lot of time with him as a pup. Oscar was put in his place and I held him in a stay...I stayed with him while my bf answered the door. Our friend came in without any issues and Oscar just watched him. Once my boyfriend came in the room behind him and then Oscar broke from his place and I gave him a command and he ignored. My bf had to get in between them and Oscar jumped up to nip him and got his wrist barely. After that Oscar was leashed and put back in his place where he stayed for the next two hours. I didn't have to hold him back once on the leash but he stayed put until our friend left. It makes me concerned to have people over or around him now beyond family.

 

[Oscar'sMom]

What are your expectations for Oscar when ppl come over? Carpe Diem

I expect for him to stay in his place until released and once calm I think he should be in a sit to give a friendly greeting or stay in his place if we don't release him or if our guest doesn't want to pet him. I don't expect him to be friendly with everyone...I just want to be confident that he will behave. It's like he's trying to protect us in our house but outside of our house in a public place he gets anxious

 

[Oscar'sMom]

I strongly think this is a situation that requires a trainer/behaviorist to be involved personally. A video is not the same as seeing the behavior in person. If I recall correctly, this has gone from one minor incident and escalated to him not allowing non family members over. To me that says it's time for professional help. In person. Oscar's Mom, my initial consult was $150 and then we worked out a plan based upon that initial visit. I would not shell out $700 without having an initial consult to see if you agree with the methods, etc. I also agree that a trainer may be more helpful than a behaviorist, but not necessarily. It depends on the individual. My behaviorist was also a certified trainer, so I had both.

Yea I will only do in person in home training. This cannot get more out of control than it already is. I'm waiting to hear back from some people....I feel like I've done a huge disservice to my dog and I'm not even sure how this has happened. It's a shame because he is an exceptional dog with us and our family.

 

[Oscar'sMom]

We hired one out of Purdue @ 150.00/Hr.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk

Thanks bob

 

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Well it sounds like u have a very good routine in place. It sounds like the timing of the correction was off when he broke his place without permission. Timing with praise and correction is everything. Once he ignored u and decided what he wanted to do was more important than listening to you then the command was lost. I'd suggest to keep him on a leash when ppl come over. Don't allow him to get up from place. If he does you have another way to correct than simply using a command that was ignored.


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Once your boyfriend came in following behind where were u? Did u take your eyes off of Oscar? I'm assuming so since he got up and made his move.


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[Hector]

I totally agree with you. I'm honestly not sure what changed. Yesterday we had a friend come over and friend was instructed prior to coming to ignore Oscar. He hasn't seen him in probably 9 months but spent a lot of time with him as a pup. Oscar was put in his place and I held him in a stay...I stayed with him while my bf answered the door. Our friend came in without any issues and Oscar just watched him. Once my boyfriend came in the room behind him and then Oscar broke from his place and I gave him a command and he ignored. My bf had to get in between them and Oscar jumped up to nip him and got his wrist barely. After that Oscar was leashed and put back in his place where he stayed for the next two hours. I didn't have to hold him back once on the leash but he stayed put until our friend left. It makes me concerned to have people over or around him now beyond family.

He sounds like he needs more work on place. If you have not started to use corrections like a no and whatever type of correction he respects, then you need to start. Obviously, he doesn't hear you when he's in the zone nor are you strong enough to hold this dog back so you need to either work hard on following through with your commands or crate him. It's much easier and cheaper to crate a dog. The important thing is to stop his brain from escalating. That means correcting, redirecting when he's watching. When he's watching, the bomb is already ticking. My dog is one of those that cannot watch. He must be redirected, corrected or actively doing a command and I'm not one to jump first on using physical corrections, but in this case where the dog is a danger to other people and to himself, then the behavior needs to be shut down immediately and yes I would do the same to my own dog.

 

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Solo gets excited when ppl come over. Not protective but simply excited. I always use the place but sometimes ppl come over unexpectedly. Then I use my body as a barrier. I own the door. I own that space. Solo stays behind me. If he tries to get between I simply use my leg to block him. I'll use that time and space to talk to the person and let Solo use his nose. But no physical interaction. I also tell the person to ignore. No touch, talk or eye contact. If I know ppl are coming over I use the place.



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He sounds like he needs more work on place. If you have not started to use corrections like a no and whatever type of correction he respects, then you need to start. Obviously, he doesn't hear you when he's in the zone nor are you strong enough to hold this dog back so you need to either work hard on following through with your commands or crate him. It's much easier and cheaper to crate a dog. The important thing is to stop his brain from escalating. That means correcting, redirecting when he's watching. When he's watching, the bomb is already ticking. My dog is one of those that cannot watch. He must be redirected, corrected or actively doing a command and I'm not one to jump first on using physical corrections, but in this case where the dog is a danger to other people and to himself, then the behavior needs to be shut down immediately and yes I would do the same to my own dog.

Well said.


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[Hector]

I also like to add that after you correct the dog for misbehaving, you would concentrate on more training to build on reliability so the amount of corrections you use in the future becomes infrequent . Work on duration and around distractions. If you can, have people or neighbors come into the house for training sessions or if you want, train place outdoors. Remember it's not just about training place, it's also about engagement training and all these things include stuff like recall, focus, basic obedience, impulse control, games - lots of games.

 

[Boxergirl]

A good trainer can help you with all of this. Sometimes we humans need an observer to tell us what *we're* doing wrong. Timing a correction, if you are going to use one, is very important. So is timing a reward. Sometimes it takes someone with experience to watch and tell us when we missed a sign that our dog was going to behave a certain way, or if something in our body language is off - or numerous other things that we humans do that make it harder to communicate with our animals.

 

[7121548]

$700 for the rest of his life sounds pretty inexpensive to me? I paid almost $1,100 for 6 private in-home training sessions that lasted 60-90 minutes each. I assume a behaviorist would be even more expensive because there are usually specific, often more serious issues that need to be dealt with, and owners are usually more desperate for help and more willing to pay. I did look into behaviorists at one point, and the one I was considering was $600, but only included an evaluation at his facility and follow up phone calls for two weeks. So $600 for a year or $700 for a lifetime is a deal if she can actually help you and Oscar.

 

[Oscar'sMom]

Once your boyfriend came in following behind where were u? Did u take your eyes off of Oscar? I'm assuming so since he got up and made his move. Carpe Diem

I was facing Oscar with my side to them and I turned to look...good call. I didn't think about that. When would have been a good time to release or should I expect him to not bolt if I move my gaze. I kept my hand in he position I give him the stay command in..just flat plan facing him.