Great Dane - dog aggression

[season]

I'd love to see a video of you demonstrating your work in the situations you described and I'd love to see the level of control you have over your dog.

PM me your phone number...we can Skype or Facetime in real time...I'll take you right by some known problem areas in my neighborhood and show you.

And if that's not good enough for you then get over it....I'm not challenging Glasgow....we've talked privately....I'm not trying to put him on the spot...I'm asking because I'd honestly like to see it. I've already watched many of his videos and enjoy learning.

 

[season]

I'd love to see a video of you demonstrating your work in the situations you described and I'd love to see the level of control you have over your dog.

I'm not a "professional dog trainer"...but I will be happy to show you if you want to see it....I don't need to post vids on YouTube because I don't have a business to promote or a need to see myself and my dog doing what we do....but like I said, I'd be happy to have you or anyone one else who thinks I'm blowing smoke to PM me with your phone number and I'll let you "tag along" on a walk with us....nothing set up, nothing staged....but I will take your right by areas where I know dogs will be waiting and ready to act a fool and you can see how Solo and myself deal with it.

 

[season]

Another reason I like Glasgow is because he doesn't get all butt hurt and defensive. He doesn't get all emotional. He stays subjective....We may not agree on everything but I've enjoyed talking with him on the forum and on PM's. Salute.

 

[Hector]

PM me your phone number...we can Skype or Facetime in real time...I'll take you right by some known problem areas in my neighborhood and show you.

And if that's not good enough for you then get over it....I'm not challenging Glasgow....we've talked privately....I'm not trying to put him on the spot...I'm asking because I'd honestly like to see it. I've already watched many of his videos and enjoy learning.

I have no interest in skyping with you. Anyone that knows me knows that I am a fan of videos in general, not just yours. Since you keep insisting that Glasgow post videos, I thought you might have had something to share yourself.

You can have your opinion, but don't say positive reinforcement training doesn't work in the real world just because 1 trainer has no video proof of what you ask.

Maybe I'm reading the tone behind your posts wrong, but a lot of your posts come across very arrogant and insulting at times.

 

[season]

I have no interest in skyping with you. Anyone that knows me knows that I am a fan of videos in general, not just yours. Since you keep insisting that Glasgow post videos, I thought you might have had something to share yourself.

You can have your opinion, but don't say positive reinforcement training doesn't work in the real world just because 1 trainer has no video proof of what you ask.

Maybe I'm reading the tone behind your posts wrong, but a lot of your posts come across very arrogant and insulting at times.

Never said it doesn't work...that's why I'm interested in seeing videos...as far as how I "come across", I'm not in charge of your attitude, feelings and emotions...Only you can do that.

 

[Boxergirl]

FWIW, when working with a reactive dog, choosing a setting where I can keep the distance necessary to work on modifying the behavior while the dog remains under threshold is key. It's how you are able to help your dog achieve the desired behavior through positive reinforcement rather than just correcting the unwanted behavior. I avoid any areas where I know there are loose or loud dogs until my dog is ready for it. Tossing my dog into a situation he's not ready for will set us both back in our training. It takes time, thought, planning, patience, and vigilance to use positive methods with a reactive dog. I think punishment, on the other hand, is pretty easy and while it may stop the behavior you don't want it doesn't teach the behavior you do want. I say "may" stop the behavior because punishing a reactive dog while he/she is reacting can backfire on you and make the problem worse.

 

[Glasgowdogtrainer]

Bang on Boxergirl. I really don;t see what the issue is. Seaon says it doesn't work initially, then says, after seeing it working in the videos he's asked for, that it is staged. If we want our dog to behave in certain environments, we need to train for that eventuality. I'd love to compete at the world (or even national) championships of my given sport, but I need to train to get there. I don't enter without training and then complain I got my ass kicked, I would have no business being there in the first place, but with practice and dedication I might.

 

[season]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's good to practice. That's a no brainer....I practice stuff with Solo on a daily basis. I feel like I'm talking in circles here....too many people get defensive and sensitive when they feel what they are doing is being challenged. I will continue to do what I do regardless of you putting a vid up to show you not using corrections in a real world setting...go ahead and do it with a dog that you've practiced with...I don't care....i just want to see it....it's not a challenge....call it what you want.

For me, I'll take Solo anywhere with me...even places/situations we've never been....I took him to a parade the other day where I'd know there would be motor cycles and loud cars....I didn't "practice" that with him before we went. The work I've done with him, the corrections I've made, the trust I've built with him all allows us to handle situations pretty easily....I'm confident and my dog knows I have his back.

I'm a coach....I know how to lead...saying that makes some people uncomfortable....maybe because they got cut from their jr high football team, or maybe because they got picked on in High school....I don't know and I don't care....I made a simple request to see a vid of a real world situation and not a cuddly feely park...thats all....but people took that as some big challenge or something....which it wasn't just a simple request to show me something other than a practice situation.

Guess that's too much to ask.

 

[Boxergirl]

It's not practice. It's behavior modification. Counter conditioning. Practice is what you do after the new associations have been made. I don't think you understand the science behind the training. The new associations can't be made by throwing a reactive dog into a situation where he is forced to react. That's just not how it works. I would love to explain it better, but everyone has tried and I think we must not be doing a very good job. As an aside, I think you are confusing the word staged with controlled.

 

[season]

Touche'...I'm not confused about anything...I'll stick with what works for us. You guys keep talking in circles and are making a simple question/request into some big science project....I don't need to learn about all positive training from anyone here....I can read countless articles on the subject if I choose. I've already ready plenty. I just asked if there were any vids using all positive training/no corrections in a less "staged/controlled" setting and all I get back is talk. For me actions speak much louder than words...and in this case it's become way too wordy.

Again, I'll stick with what works for us....everyone else do what works for you.

 

[Glasgowdogtrainer]

The dog's whole life is one big practice session.

 

[season]

The dog's whole life is one big practice session.

One of the best things I've read all day.

 

[season]

I compare it to coaching and playing basketball. Practice is so very valuable...I loved it more than games....we always practiced hard because by the time we got to the games they were easy. That being said, there are ALWAYS things that happen in games that you can't mimic or can't totally prepare for. I made my practices as intense and as close to "game like" as I could but in the end you could never specifically mimic a game. You could prepare as best you could through practice and repetition and film study but it still didn't truly get you ready for the game until you actually got your feet wet and played in games. Some may have never played sports so may not understand the analogy.

 

[karennj]

You might find this interesting.This guy has a few video working with pit bulls in busy non-staged environments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMLrYaoxNOs

 

[season]

You might find this interesting.This guy has a few video working with pit bulls in busy non-staged environments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMLrYaoxNOs

Thanks, I'll check them out.

 

[season]

You might find this interesting.This guy has a few video working with pit bulls in busy non-staged environments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMLrYaoxNOs

Good stuff karennj! Best vid I've seen so far....now that's what I'm talking about with something not so "staged or controlled"....Thanks for for coming through with the vid....and as I watch it, I did alot of that stuff with Solo early on and have to do a lot less of it now. I just don't get into all the fancy words and formulas Salute.

 

[karennj]

He has this video that goes into all the science but it can be a bear to follow! I have watched a few of his videos and he absolutely works the dogs in busy areas surrounded by their triggers. He does however try to set them up for success by creating enough distance to keep them under threshold so corrections are not required. It shows you how difficult it can be to do this. The owner needs to be focused and on the ball so the timing is correct.

 

[season]

Good vids...and for me I'm not afraid to correct if need be but I have Solo at a point now where he could really care less about stuff in the environment...if he does get off task a simple no, tsch or quick leash pressure is all it takes. Thanks again for coming through

 

[Hector]

Good stuff karennj! Best vid I've seen so far....now that's what I'm talking about with something not so "staged or controlled"....Thanks for for coming through with the vid....and as I watch it, I did alot of that stuff with Solo early on and have to do a lot less of it now. I just don't get into all the fancy words and formulas Salute.

I don't understand how this is any different than what glasgow is doing?? It's a more chaotic way of doing things really. What if the person is not strong enough to restrain the dog while feeding?

 

[zardac]

I've not been able to use 100% positive methods with training our dogs, but I like it as a goal and basis for training.

I think it's a great idea to catch 'em when they're doing something right- and reward it- rather than consequating bad behavior.

I think many of us were raised with punishment and correction, and naturally tend to use it with our children and our pets, but I'm guessing we became the wonderful people we are today- despite- rather than because of that heritage.

I don't watch videos much, but I do know people who successfully employ positive training methods with challenging dogs.

You don't need to spank your kids either.