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health testing pros cons

doguenw

New Member
I am curious what everyone's opinion on this is.. we are just starting our Bordeaux program and of course want to do everything right. we had every intention of getting each and every one of our breeding stock (hate that word) pets tested but I have had a few of the long time breeders tell me that there is more risk to the testing than it is worth. any input would be appreciated??
 

Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
In general its mandatory especially for someone starting off their program. Most breeders won't use dogs who have not been tested. Now testing is not a guarantee or a way of prevention, however to get to "know" your program better....why not? Especially if the tools are there.

There are VERY few situations in which parents are not tested but can be breed. Very few IMO....
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
Most of the people here believe that a responsible breeder will absolutely do health testing. I personally made the mistake of buying from a byb in the past who didn't and am now in the very beginning stages of finding our next pup and I will not buy from a breeder who doesn't health test.
 

sissie20

Well-Known Member
i do believe in health testing but my question has always been this...say you have a breeding progam and every dog has been health test including grandparents and great grandparents and so on ...so you have a litter lets say half of the pups end up with hip dysplasia and all that other stuff so what would be the blame there if all of parents and granparents health testing came back excellent? this is somthing i have thought about a good while since i spoke to st patricks mastiffs they dont do health testing and i asked them why and her response was that she has seen many litters still have those things wrong with them even thoe all the health testing has been done and cleared
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
The health testing isn't a guarantee of course but I'd rather know hey this parent has a good chance of dysplasia so I can choose a different paring especially if two dogs with less than stellar results are bred together. If I'm going to pay a couple grand for a dog I'd rather a dog with health tested parents.
 

Smokeycat

Well-Known Member
I know that I will not buy another puppy from untested parents. My EM just had his first surgery for elbow dysplasia. I know testing won't guarantee that I won't have another dog with this condition or a different one but it lowers the risk in my opinion.
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
I don't see any cons to health testing. I see neutrals, its not a guarantee of lack of health problems for example. But I see no cons, and I can't imagine spending the money on a purebred pup who's parents and grand parents haven't been health tested.

Depending on which test:

some of them are looking at actual DNA, those ARE definitive, the dog either has the gene or he doesn't. Period.

For the ones like hip dysplasia, they don't guarantee the dog won't develop it later in life, but they ensure that the dog doesn't have it at the age of two. There are unfortunetly to many factors for hip dysplasia for an excellent rating to guarantee that the dog's offspring won't have it. But having an excellent rating on both parents signifigantly reduces the chances.

Sissie, in that sort of example theres something else going on, either theres a lack of honesty in who the parents are or theres something else seriously wrong, if half a litter tests as having dysplasia by the age of two when both parents and their lines all passed.

And if the breeder ISN'T health testing I have to take their word for whether the dog is healthy, and that his parents are healthy. I don't know this person from adam except for reputation (which frankly is only as good as the rumor mill) and I'm supposed to take their word on whether the parents and grands of this pup that I'm spending a fortune on are healthy or not?? I don't effing think so......do you know what early onset dysplasia can do to a dog? And what it takes to fix it? Ask Smokeycat if you've never thought about it. And dysplasia is one of the LESS life threatening things that should be tested for in many lines.
 

sissie20

Well-Known Member
i totally agree with you ruth...that was just her excuse for not health testing and you are so right if im going to spend a few grand on a dog yeah the parents and grandparents and so on better be health tested wich is the plan for my next mastiff because i really want a show dog and a healthy one at that.
 

WalnutCrest

Well-Known Member
Two anecdotes:

A lady I know night a nice pup. Parents were CHs and tested for everything and passed (I think with excellent scores). Her pup has dysplasia in all four legs.

Two different people i can think of off the top of my head have had their awesome dogs never wake up from the sedation given for testing hips and elbows.

Testing for non-DNA stuff is a really good idea, but is NOT a decision to be made lightly.
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
ANytime you have to put a dog under its not a decision to be taken lightly. Doesn't change how important I feel it is. Actually more and more places are allowing OFA xrays to be done under light sedation instead of full. Though I believe Pennhip still has to be done with the dog all the way under.
 

DennasMom

Well-Known Member
I agree, DD - Breeding is a BIG risk.

And, from what I've read, hip/elbow displaysia has some genetic links as well as upbringing & nutrition links. And as was said, with perfect lineages, there still will be dogs with problems. But, if you can screen out problems before you start you minimize those problems and the breeder's overall costs should be less; less returned puppies, less unwanted puppies, less vet costs, etc.
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
Health testing is yet another tool at our disposal so why wouldn't it be used. IMO it is extremely important for the breeder to know what it is they are working with. I know I would want to at least know in order to make an informed decision on what my options were. To say that the risks (?) out weigh the pros is a cop out. The risks of breeding unhealthy animals and the heart break for the family of the pups is far higher. Having parents clear of HD does not guarantee a healthy pup, but it does increase the odds.