Mastiff pup hip poping

[kingmark]

Hello .
My boerboel pup has poping hip as she walks or in some position when she moves. I know this could be indicator to hip dysplasia or could also be only joint or ligament issues. My male also had that sound when he was young ,and later not a thing and he was stable on foot like on railways, so it doesnt mean anything but gosh that click sound when you hear it is nerve killing and i dont know horrible. What are your experiences with your pups and their poping hips and joints?

 

[Mastini Mayhem]

Depending on the age, it sounds like she has some laxity and your pup doesn't have the muscle yet to keep the bones from moving out of position. Which isn't the worst news ever, but can cause damage (DJD). What are you feeding her exactly and age? Also does she show any signs of pain and how active is she?

 

[kingmark]

Depending on the age, it sounds like she has some laxity and your pup doesn't have the muscle yet to keep the bones from moving out of position. Which isn't the worst news ever, but can cause damage (DJD). What are you feeding her exactly and age? Also does she show any signs of pain and how active is she?

She is on acana puppy large and 5 months old. She doesnt show any sign of pain or discomfor, and her activity depends on the day but she is a flyer , when we go somewhere on walk and i let her of leash she is flying to a point that i need to stop her because she doesnt know to stop, she adores playing and runing like crazy ,even in the yard i have to limit her jumping and all that. Also she pops a lot in her spine when she is stretching, just like my male did when he was little but then that stoped as he had grown up. What do you think?

 

[marke]

i'd say it's probably a tendon popping across a bone as it becomes tight , growing pups are pretty much proportionally out of sync ...... any other reason that's serious would cause pain ....... I agree with mastini mayhem , keep the pup on her feet and walking , strength helps development ......

 

[PippatheMastiff]

Consider adult food where phosphorus:calcium ratios are 1:1, with average percentage 1%.


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[Mastini Mayhem]

I would move her off puppy food, get her on adult kibble at that age. Keeping her from being a high flyer would be good, depending on where you are... If you have access to water, let her swim and play in the water as much as possible. As that is low impact, but will help build her muscle tone up too. At this point, just watch her and allow her to grow. If you are still hearing/seeing joints pop by a year I would advise to get rad's done. Best of luck!

 

[kingmark]

i'd say it's probably a tendon popping across a bone as it becomes tight , growing pups are pretty much proportionally out of sync ...... any other reason that's serious would cause pain ....... I agree with mastini mayhem , keep the pup on her feet and walking , strength helps development ......

I know that it could be only lose joints until she grows up a little bit ,but she has perfect lean muscle and she is strong, fit and strong just like my male who also had poping hip then it stoped when he has grown up but that click pop sound is making me crazy..

 

[kingmark]

Consider adult food where phosphorus:calcium ratios are 1:1, with average percentage 1%.


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Her current food has 1.4 calcium and 1.1 phosphorous , how does that calculate in what percentage?

 

[kingmark]

I would move her off puppy food, get her on adult kibble at that age. Keeping her from being a high flyer would be good, depending on where you are... If you have access to water, let her swim and play in the water as much as possible. As that is low impact, but will help build her muscle tone up too. At this point, just watch her and allow her to grow. If you are still hearing/seeing joints pop by a year I would advise to get rad's done. Best of luck!

Adult food has the same levels of ca and ph 1.4 and 1.1 just like her puppy food. We have water her but now is to cold for her to swim ,and she hasnt been in the water yet. Look at her in boerboel thread miss tonka and on the last pic you will see how lean she is. At this point all i cant do is limit her exercise as i didnt already that she will be pissed of me because she really loves to run

 

[PippatheMastiff]

Her current food has 1.4 calcium and 1.1 phosphorous , how does that calculate in what percentage?

A bit high in calcium, try to stay at 1 or even lower. Phosphorus ok. Protein below 25. Sounds like more of too much jumping and running issue though, unfortunately. Try mind games, toys she has to think to remove treats, play hide the treats around the house? That tends to tire them out almost as much as physical exercise.


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[Mastini Mayhem]

Agreed with Pippathemastiff. I take all mine off puppy food by 4 months or sometimes earlier due to that. What your trying to do is allow the muscles to catch up with the bone growth, develop more. Genetics will still come into play and she will be the same size/weight when on adult food.

 

[kingmark]

Agreed with Pippathemastiff. I take all mine off puppy food by 4 months or sometimes earlier due to that. What your trying to do is allow the muscles to catch up with the bone growth, develop more. Genetics will still come into play and she will be the same size/weight when on adult food.

I must say that i disagree with that myth if i can say so, that you must feed your pup with an adult food and that protein levels must be below 25. I spoke to many vets as i also did see many new researches on the internet about level of protein. It was said that low protein is more harming then helping your pup because he isnt getting enough nutrition to develope properly. I cant remember it all as i read it 2-3 years ago ,but with people whom i talked to who are all experts said that more higher the protein more quality nutrition for developing properly with lean healthy muscle. I personally did see many overweight dogs especialy pups who were eating low protein and low quality protein food. Also many dog foods with their adult lines have the same calcium levels as the puppy line and even higher so i dont know how could that help. I know my girl is going to grow as her genetics alows her to i dont want her to grow bigger or something like that, i just want her to be healthy and live a longer life then my male did so anyway any advice is welcomed.

 

[marke]

I know that it could be only lose joints until she grows up a little bit ,but she has perfect lean muscle and she is strong, fit and strong just like my male who also had poping hip then it stoped when he has grown up but that click pop sound is making me crazy..

I don't believe a tendon popping has anything to do with a loose joint ..... not that your dog doesn't have loose joints , lots to most large loose skinned breeds do .... I've raised more dysplastic dogs than I have non-dysplastic , almost always laxity being the cause , noones hips ever popped ........ I've raised ddb for the last 25 yrs , I've never not raised one on anything but large breed puppy food , I've x-rayed every dog I've ever had , my ddb's are orthopedically as good as any I've ever seen , better than most I've ever seen , my vets , who see a lot would agree with me ...i'd put my dogues x-rays up against anyones no matter how they raised them .... I set out to get dogues that could run , orthopedics have been the main focus since day one ....... I've had one dogue ever put down for a hip problem , my first ddb , I feel I learned a ton from reflecting on that experience ...... i'm convinced the reason I haven't since had a problem with hd is from recognizing the fact that pups from day one need a massive amount of exercise of the RIGHT KIND . the right kind of exercise for a pup is very mild and for long periods of time .....the best hips your going to get are littermates raised together with all day free range to a large yard , fed anything properly ...... my pups never need their muscles to catch up to their growth , imo , that in itself is a problem , keeping a pups strength up with it's growth with PROPER exercise is labor intense , there is no quick way , it is a slow constant process that takes a lot of time .......imo , most pups are under exercised and often over done in the intensity of what they are encouraged to do .

 

[Elana P]

Personally, I believe in Puppy food for puppies.

A large to giant breed puppy, on large/giant breed puppy food, with additions of extra veggies, eggs, fish, fresh meat, and large meaty beef bones.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

P.S.

Nothing popping on Charlie, by the way.

 

[kingmark]

I don't believe a tendon popping has anything to do with a loose joint ..... not that your dog doesn't have loose joints , lots to most large loose skinned breeds do .... I've raised more dysplastic dogs than I have non-dysplastic , almost always laxity being the cause , noones hips ever popped ........ I've raised ddb for the last 25 yrs , I've never not raised one on anything but large breed puppy food , I've x-rayed every dog I've ever had , my ddb's are orthopedically as good as any I've ever seen , better than most I've ever seen , my vets , who see a lot would agree with me ...i'd put my dogues x-rays up against anyones no matter how they raised them .... I set out to get dogues that could run , orthopedics have been the main focus since day one ....... I've had one dogue ever put down for a hip problem , my first ddb , I feel I learned a ton from reflecting on that experience ...... i'm convinced the reason I haven't since had a problem with hd is from recognizing the fact that pups from day one need a massive amount of exercise of the RIGHT KIND . the right kind of exercise for a pup is very mild and for long periods of time .....the best hips your going to get are littermates raised together with all day free range to a large yard , fed anything properly ...... my pups never need their muscles to catch up to their growth , imo , that in itself is a problem , keeping a pups strength up with it's growth with PROPER exercise is labor intense , there is no quick way , it is a slow constant process that takes a lot of time .......imo , most pups are under exercised and often over done in the intensity of what they are encouraged to do .

Tell me then what should i do beside watching and controling her exercise? She loves rough play with me and rough runing and thats all coming from her. When she starts playing its little slowly at the begining and then she goes bezerk and starts runing like wild hornets are chasing her up down where ever she can. That is exactly how my male also did and i couldn stop it unless i stoped whole play. And when she is runing like that you can see that her body needs that and that she is enjoying full time ,so i feel bad when i have to control it and stop it because of her sake and health.

 

[marke]

Tell me then what should i do beside watching and controling her exercise? She loves rough play with me and rough runing and thats all coming from her. When she starts playing its little slowly at the begining and then she goes bezerk and starts runing like wild hornets are chasing her up down where ever she can. That is exactly how my male also did and i couldn stop it unless i stoped whole play. And when she is runing like that you can see that her body needs that and that she is enjoying full time ,so i feel bad when i have to control it and stop it because of her sake and health.

can't help you on this , everyones situation is different ......... my pups play with pups of similar age and size ....... adult dogs can and do hurt pups , young adult dogs can and do hurt old adult dogs , I have experienced both ............ I don't know about your dogs , but letting one of my pups play with one of my adults would be like letting a 10 yr old kid play on a college football team ............. I teach my pups to trot at a young age and walk trot them for miles ...... at 3months old my pups have no problem with a 2-2.5 mile walk .............. by 7-8 months they are not having a problem walk/trot 4-5 miles ....... I've never seen one get hurt walking or trotting ............

 

[kingmark]

can't help you on this , everyones situation is different ......... my pups play with pups of similar age and size ....... adult dogs can and do hurt pups , young adult dogs can and do hurt old adult dogs , I have experienced both ............ I don't know about your dogs , but letting one of my pups play with one of my adults would be like letting a 10 yr old kid play on a college football team ............. I teach my pups to trot at a young age and walk trot them for miles ...... at 3months old my pups have no problem with a 2-2.5 mile walk .............. by 7-8 months they are not having a problem walk/trot 4-5 miles ....... I've never seen one get hurt walking or trotting ............

Tell me what do you think i should do beside what am i already doing? I dont have any other dogs only her, and she has never played with other big dogs of leash because i am affraid she will hurt herself ,as i see that she doesnt back down and she would play hard with older dogs as she has no puppy friends. She has a male pitbull and canecorso as her friends and female germanshepard but she is little jumpy against female not little ones but she senses dominance in my girl so its a look out all the time. I walk her every day only if its not raining around 3 kms in two walks and she also have bed time wrestling which only her and i do and 20 min of that she is worn out and its all on bed without jumping just mouthing and delicatly wrestling. When we are walking in the woods like terrain she loves to fly like crazy up the hill down the hill so i need to control her as much as i can so she doesnt hurt herself. If i didnt watch her in that way i am sure she would hurt or criple herself by now and yet i cant forbide her all things.

 

[marke]

how old is the pup ? it's hard to tell what a pup can do without seeing the pup . it depends on how strong the pup is , it's coordination , and how well they move , as to what they can physically take ...... just be aware that the owners of a lot of large breed dogs are responsible for orthopedically trashing their dogs ...... to excite , encourage a pup to run and cut is never a good idea , an orthopedic injury to a pup during it's fast growth period can be a lifelong problem ......a pup left to it's own discretion will not usually hurt itself , even together with other similar aged pups , but with physically bigger stronger adult dogs , that can be another story ........... my pups are pretty much loose 24/7 , so they don't have that initial pent up burst of energy that a pup confined for a large portion of the day has ..... a lot is genetic , the rest is you understanding the idea of keeping the pup as strong as possible without hurting them , doing the best you know how and can , and let the chips fall where they may ...... that's always been my approach ............ I read a paper one time about wolves , wolf pups walk at around 2 weeks , by 6 weeks they are walking as far as a mile from the den ........if cornell dls , john bardens , and pennhip have a clue of what their doing , pups joints do not tighten up as they get older ...... a loose hipped pup will be a loose hipped adult , and vice versa ......

 

[Elana P]

I don't think normal walking and running are really the problem (unless one really over does it), as much as jumping from high places, leaping over things, running up and down too many stairs, running into things at high speed, along with rough play with bigger dogs at too young of an age.

 

[kingmark]

how old is the pup ? it's hard to tell what a pup can do without seeing the pup . it depends on how strong the pup is , it's coordination , and how well they move , as to what they can physically take ...... just be aware that the owners of a lot of large breed dogs are responsible for orthopedically trashing their dogs ...... to excite , encourage a pup to run and cut is never a good idea , an orthopedic injury to a pup during it's fast growth period can be a lifelong problem ......a pup left to it's own discretion will not usually hurt itself , even together with other similar aged pups , but with physically bigger stronger adult dogs , that can be another story ........... my pups are pretty much loose 24/7 , so they don't have that initial pent up burst of energy that a pup confined for a large portion of the day has ..... a lot is genetic , the rest is you understanding the idea of keeping the pup as strong as possible without hurting them , doing the best you know how and can , and let the chips fall where they may ...... that's always been my approach ............ I read a paper one time about wolves , wolf pups walk at around 2 weeks , by 6 weeks they are walking as far as a mile from the den ........if cornell dls , john bardens , and pennhip have a clue of what their doing , pups joints do not tighten up as they get older ...... a loose hipped pup will be a loose hipped adult , and vice versa ......

She is 5.5 months old and belive me she moves flying moving. She is still a pup liitle bit clumsy when walking and cudling ,but when she decides to run she is runing like wild ,cuting ,jumping and really loving it ,while i go crazy want to pull my hair so i need to slow her down and eventually stop her on put her on the leash. When we are in the yard she also runs like fast to a point where i need to catch her and carry her to the house because its the only way to stop her as she isnt tired at all. I havent seen her not once in this nearly 3 months that she needs to take a breath. She is fit and strong like a little bomb so i dont worry about her strenght or muscles ,just i am worried about her clicking noise from what i think is hip i cant be for sure but its coming from her back end. She walks very correct and runs the same. I could take a video of her walking and runing and send it to you ,so maybe you could see something that i am missing or not seeing?