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Miramont Mastiffs, Anyone know them

ravendarat

Well-Known Member
Ok so I was wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on Miramont Mastiffs. I have been talking to her for the last four months and have come to be very comfortable and her communication with me has been great. The planned breeding is happening this month so everything seems good. I did some online looking before I first contacted her and couldn't really find much for feedback. She has health testing done on both parents and as of now I am first on the list which was kind of important to me because I really want to get the dog I want which I am confident I can find in a decent litter. So as I said I am fairly confidant in my choice but being careful never hurt anyone. Heres the link to her site as well. http://www.freewebs.com/wildflowerfarms/
 

Marrowshard

Well-Known Member
Which pairing are you looking at? I see three on the "puppies" page. It looks like their stud Marrock isn't the sire for any of the three, but both Marrock and their bitch Blossom are CMR carriers. In the first two pairings at least one of the parents is a CMR carrier. I don't have any experience with breeding mastiffs, and I know CMR is prevalent in EMs, but is it normal to breed known carriers in a show kennel?
Please correct me if I'm looking at it wrong. All three intended breedings look average at best BUT that doesn't mean you won't get good pups. As for reputation, I haven't heard anything about them.

~Marrow
 

ravendarat

Well-Known Member
Yes I was aware of this and talked to two different vets in my area and both assured me that as long as the male used in the pairing is clear of the disease the chance of it being a problem is slim. It is the Blossom pairing I am looking at.
 

Marrowshard

Well-Known Member
Anchor is one solid chunk of mastiff, isn't he? I do like the insistence on waiting for full maturity to clip puppies that will be pets and the attention to making health scores and pedigrees accessible. Something I noticed from the front page though was that they'd recently changed their name. I assume you checked under both names when looking for feedback?

~Marrow
 

ravendarat

Well-Known Member
Ya I didn't see much on either of them. Honestly I never asked why they changed the names when they moved. I guess that might have been a good question to ask "face palm". I have put down a deposit but am more than willing to walk away from it if it seems like a great idea although like I said, so far I haven't found anything wrong nor have they hid anything from me, like the CMR. I mean its in plain site on the web and the vets have put me at rest on that one. I am not positive yet on if I am doing a pet or show contract. I can't see me ever doing show so I guess pet would be smarter as I don't plan on being a stud either. The only thing is if someone wants to do a show contract with them they pick their dogs before the people with pet contracts do, and honestly picking the dog I want is worth the extra hundreds it would cost me even if I didn't want to show. But is it considered irresponsible of me to get a dog that would be suitable for stud and then not pursue it, I mean when it comes to betterment of the breed, is that considered a foul in the community?
 

Oak Hill Farm

Well-Known Member
Not a foul, but some breeders will not sell pick puppies to pet homes for that reason. That would be up to your breeder.
 

ravendarat

Well-Known Member
Ya, maybe I will start looking for a handler around here. If I do go with a show contract I think that morally Im just gonna have to show him, I have a conscious after all lol. Then if the breeder wants to use him to stud I guess its an easy enough process.
 

NeoBull

Well-Known Member
1st thing I noticed is that none of the dogs are AKC Champions. International Champion doesn't carry nearly as much weight for me. Most dogs can get an Int'l Ch in a single weekend. I feel like as a breeder, if you were really serious about showing and your dogs were truly show quality you would going for AKC Championships. That said... it wouldn't necessarily be a deal breaker... As long as the appropriate health and temperament testing was being done.

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Take that back... Anchor is an Am CH
 

NeoBull

Well-Known Member
Take that back... Anchor is an Am CH

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Seems a bit much to have 3 litters that close together too...

I don't know... based on the website alone they don't seem terrible, but not totally awesome either.
 

NeoBull

Well-Known Member
Seems a bit much to have 3 litters that close together too...

I don't know... based on the website alone they don't seem terrible, but not totally awesome either.

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Weird, in their puppy questionnaire the say if you are planning on breeding one of their puppies they have to earn a Ch first, but they just bred a female of theirs without one (Annie).

I get that occasionally a breeder might breed a dog without a championship because they have such a good eye for how a breeding pair would compliment each other, but it is kinda funny/hypocritical to state that when you have an non-ch litter on the ground ;)

Sorry I've made a million comments, I've just been commenting as I browse their site.
 

NeoBull

Well-Known Member
Weird, in their puppy questionnaire the say if you are planning on breeding one of their puppies they have to earn a Ch first, but they just bred a female of theirs without one (Annie).

I get that occasionally a breeder might breed a dog (usually from strong CH lines) without a championship because they have such a good eye for how a breeding pair would compliment each other, but it is kinda funny/hypocritical to state that when you have an non-ch litter on the ground ;) Annie only has CH 4 gen back in her line...

Sorry I've made a million comments, I've just been commenting as I browse their site.
 
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ravendarat

Well-Known Member
I think that writing in to the contract that they must be a champion would kind of cover their ass and allow them to block breedings of a dog that wasn't worthy. But if there was a dog that looked to be an asset to the breed as opposed to a detriment I think they would allow the pairing.
 

mybigpuppy

New Member
Hi! The dog in my profile pic is Mr. Banks, a Wildflower/Mastiff Mastiff. Cassie changed the name to Miramont Mastiffs because they relocated from Grand Junction, Colorado in the mountains to Pennsylvania. It was a big move for the family, people and dogs. Miramont means looking to the mountain (I think?) and their old home is still important to them. Also, Mastiffs are mountains of dogs, lol ;o)

Anyway, I'd be happy to share my wonderful experience with anyone. I chose Cassie after lost of research and many conversations as well. About Mr. Banks who is absolutely perfect. He had just turned two in this pic. His mom was Delilah (a Wildflower mastiff), and his dad was Pork Chop, a Beowolf Mastiff. His sister and brother are still part of the show group, they are Blossom and Marrick. Mr. Banks is not a show dog but he could be. He is a well loved family dog here. I remember Blossom getting her AKC Championship, and Marrick did the same, but Blossom did it faster if I remember it correctly. Blossom loves the shows. Mr. Banks is a lot taller than Delilah and Blossom.

One of the biggest things to me was how Cassie raised her puppies as part of her household. The puppies are with kids right from the beginning and are so well socialized at a very young age. At 8 weeks when we took him home he already knew the name we had chosen for him because Cassie called him by it. She sent me pics so I literally got to watch his daily development. She was awesome. She was also great at asking me questions to really make sure I knew what I was getting into so that Mr. Banks would have a wonderful home. She was helpful without being bossy or anything. We were perfectly prepared to care for him. Being new to mastiff ownership, I was glad to have her sincerely care and help even after "the deal" was concluded. She loves every puppy with all her heart. I don't know how she does it.

As far as Mr. Banks... he's perfect! He is about 225lbs, tall and absolutely gorgeous. He's filled out and gotten broader since this pic. When I see other dogs of the same breed and color, I realize how lucky I got picking his gene pool and him. He likes walks but doesn't get into trouble if we have a lazy week. He's happy to sit at my feet wherever I am. He adores my three kids and lets them lay on him and sit on him for hours. He has to be near one of us. He guards us but is very friendly with friends and neighbors we welcome. He is so obedient. He was easy to train, slower than training a lab but still good. He is the perfect blend of playfulness but quiet patience. He even sits when the 3 yr old tells him too and it's a crowd pleaser ;o) Other mastiff owners and vets see him, and the comment is always the same, "WOW, he is a gorgeous dog!"

Don't worry about the website. She just started it. I know she's working on new pages while still settling into her new home. Just talk to her and ask all of your questions. Good luck!

Oh ya and... I found this because I was attempting to get her link to send to someone who saw Mr. Banks and had to have my bredders info right away because he wants one. True story :D

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Sorry... just saw the concern about the changing of her name from Wildflower to Miramont.. She's wonderful and it's not to throw off anyone. In fact, she's trying to figure out how to keep Wildflowers name as part of Miramont.
She changed the name because her family of people and dogs made a huge move from the mountains of Colorado to the hills of Pennsylvania. It was a huge adjustment and they miss the mountains. I don't have her words exactly but I think Miramont means "looking to the mountain". They wanted a fresh start in PA but wanted to pay homage to the mountains. But the fresh start is one of purely personal nature, not a cover up. Just a statement of commitment to their new lives in a new, completely different place.
Hope this helps
 

mybigpuppy

New Member
Sorry... just saw the concern about the changing of her name from Wildflower to Miramont.. She's wonderful and it's not to throw off anyone. In fact, she's trying to figure out how to keep Wildflowers name as part of Miramont.
She changed the name because her family of people and dogs made a huge move from the mountains of Colorado to the hills of Pennsylvania. It was a huge adjustment and they miss the mountains. I don't have her words exactly but I think Miramont means "looking to the mountain". They wanted a fresh start in PA but wanted to pay homage to the mountains. But the fresh start is one of purely personal nature, not a cover up. Just a statement of commitment to their new lives in a new, completely different place.
Hope this helps
 

mybigpuppy

New Member
Yes! But my hard drive just crashed so I have to search for them and download stuff and I'm not super technical. I'll post some ASAP though.
 

futureowner

Well-Known Member
Which pairing are you looking at? I see three on the "puppies" page. It looks like their stud Marrock isn't the sire for any of the three, but both Marrock and their bitch Blossom are CMR carriers. In the first two pairings at least one of the parents is a CMR carrier. I don't have any experience with breeding mastiffs, and I know CMR is prevalent in EMs, but is it normal to breed known carriers in a show kennel?
Please correct me if I'm looking at it wrong. All three intended breedings look average at best BUT that doesn't mean you won't get good pups. As for reputation, I haven't heard anything about them.

~Marrow

I'm not sure what you are looking at as far as her website goes, but there is only 2 litters being born and they wouldn't even be that close together except one went into heat because the other did. They are beautiful dogs that I have seen in person and met Cassie and she is wonderful. CMR may be carried by one of them but you breed to one who is not a carrier, it does not mean your pup or any of the pups will have it or be a carrier! Marrock has never been bred and this is Blossom's first litter.
Don't ever judge someone by their website without meeting them and seeing first hand!!!

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Mr. Banks is awesome looking, I saw his pictures on her website, send me a message and I will connect with you on facebook :) I can't wait to get my puppy from her, I hope he looks just like Jimmy (his dad) :)
 

futureowner

Well-Known Member
Mr. Banks is awesome looking, I saw his pictures on her website, send me a message and I will connect with you on facebook :) I can't wait to get my puppy from her, I hope he looks just like Jimmy (his dad) :)
 

ravendarat

Well-Known Member
To be fair to Marrowshard there used to be 3 litters listed and then one was taken done, I never inquired as to why because it didn't really concern my litter. Ya Cassie has been good, she sent me a picture 2 days ago of the X-ray, i am getting very excited. Only 6 more days till puppies come.
 

ravendarat

Well-Known Member
Ok so I am kind of freaking out here. The puppies were born 6 weeks ago tomorrow and communication has really broken down. I got a picture after they were born then very little info. I contacted her after two weeks, she said they were starting to play and she would send pictures in the next couple days. Never heard from her then at 4 weeks I contacted her again asking her for pictures and inquiring as to if she figured out exactly what I would owe to ship the puppy. No reply. Then I sent her another email a couple days ago asking similar info again and once again no reply. I don't know if she isn't getting my emails or what. I tried calling her about 2 weeks ago or so and got no answer, just her answering machine. Im gonna try to call on Sunday again I guess. I just don't know if there is a problem and she doesn't wanna tell me, if she isn't getting my emails, if there is something else going on. I just don't really know but being that I have been in contact with her since October and it was always good communication up until now really puzzles me.