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Hiraeth

Hiraeth

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karennj said:
Sorry I know this was already posted but what are the details of the dog specifically? Location, age, neutered, is he ok with any other dogs or not?
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He's two, not sure about the neutered, attacked a family dog last summer (thread here: http://www.mastiff-forum.com/showthread.php/21747-I-need-help!!!!) "I didn't want to give either one up but after last night I know now if I do not do something Odin will kill Chief."

And is apparently dog aggressive in general. From another thread: "Now Odin is ok with small dogs but when they get yippy or barking at him he wants to get them. He was doing really good for a while, we could walk by a house with a dog barking and I could redirect him easy. He was doing good until one day we were walking and came up to this fence and out of no where this little french bulldog came out barking all crazy. Odin was fine and he cut behind me and put his nose up to the fence. When he did that that little dog bit him and oh my goodness I thought he was going to bust through that fence and kill that dog. I had a really hard time holding him back and from then on when any dog barks he goes kinda nuts with wanting to get after them especially little ones."
 
OdinBB

OdinBB

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He is better with other dogs, I have not tried bringing dogs into my home with him but he has encountered them. He has his little friends he plays with through a fence. We have neighbors with small dogs and they don't seem to bother him. No he is not neutered.

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OdinBB

OdinBB

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I feel he should be the only dog, however he may get along fine with a submissive female.

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DMikeM

DMikeM

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Just wow, some of the comments from one of these posters just makes me want to vomit. I have had a dog that bit a child once, he was pushed into it and yes there is always "ALWAYS" a trigger. Something we don't always see but it's there. My dog that bit the 3 or 4 year old boy was a doberman mix and the boy pushed him and poked him and chased him around the house with a pedal car until the dog snapped. The dog was not put down and I made the woman and her children move out. I never had a problem with my dog again even with other children. I lived with another woman and her 3 boys for 10 years after that and he never tried to bite one of her boys ever. Odin's breeder is ultimately responsible for not properly testing her breeding stock and Odin is not the only dog to come out of that sire with aggression issues. Also this breeder breed multiple types of mastiffs on the same property and has had 3 litters in the last 3 months with 2 more planned in the next month. OdinBB I am sorry you are going through this and Sharon does not know what to do for you in this situation. If I had room I would take him right now and fix him on my dime or keep him but I am at my limit already. Boerboels are supposed to be child tolerant/friendly but it is just not always how things work out. The old timers neutered or culled off dogs with bad behavior like this and did not allow breeding of such dogs. This is why they are normally very good with kids. Guess what? My Crusher does not like or trust kids. He was teased by the neighbor kid when I was at work. So now I have to watch him and work with him around kids. I will not allow him to be near a child without restraint at all. He has never bit one but I see it in his eyes and his posture. Don't let Odin around your children and if you can get him a medical check up do it, if you can get him homed with someone that understands his issues do that too. If you can't do it and are left with no choice then that is what must be done. It's not the first dog that has had to be PTS for being child aggressive and he wouldn't be the last one.
 
OdinBB

OdinBB

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Mike I have always been very adamant about my children not to mess tease animals. They have always had dogs in their life and I never had this isse. I also keep going through what happened that horrible morning to try to remember something that could have set him off but I cant. Believe me, my first reaction when I hear a dog bit a kid is what did that kid do to that dog to set him/her off. That is exactly one of the reasons why I am so adamant about my children not messing with any dogs especially a dog Odin's size. And on the topic of his breeder, I am so pissed at her. I am reaching out for help and all she is doing is trying to push him off in people that she or I isn't sure if they are capable of taking care of him. I want her to take him re-assess and train him, if she feels he is adoptable after then she can put him in a suitable home. But every time I ask her she doest answer the question she just tries to push him with another random person. I want to report her to the AKC about everything, has anyone on here reported any one in the past and know the best route in doing so?

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Hiraeth

Hiraeth

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Just a few things. Did you have a contract with the breeder when you bought Odin? My contract with my breeder specifically states that if I am rehoming Titan, he MUST be returned to her. If it went to court, child aggression could be viewed as a breach of that contract, but then the breeder would probably be legally responsible for taking him and euthanizing him. What kind of paperwork did you sign when you purchased him?

This seems to be a really common misconception, so I'd like to shed a little bit of light on it. Most breeders are NOT trainers. While most ethical breeders do activities with their dogs, like showing, sports, etc, that does not mean in *any* way that they are equipped to deal with a large, unpredictable and aggressive dog. That being said, she should be helping you locate a trustworthy home for him, or at least offering to house him in a kennel so he is out of quarantine and away from your children.

So I don't think you can report her for not wanting to train the dog. Especially if you don't have a contract stating that she is responsible for his care if you decide to re-home him.

What I DO think you can report her for is her unethical practices. If Odin isn't the only dog to come out of that sire with aggression problems, find the owners of the others. Get statements from them. You need to prove that his breeder knew about the aggression issues and kept breeding this sire/bitch anyways. As far as reporting her goes, that's the angle would need to go about it. It's a lot of legwork, but if you feel strongly that she should be penalized for this situation, then I think it sounds like having a few private conversations with DMikeM and getting some more information would be a good start. Be careful not to defame the breeder in public places, like on Facebook or on this forum. If word gets back, she could actually take you to court for defamation and damage to her business.

You could also probably contact someone at the AKC and tell them about your situation. Ask them what the best route to pursue is. If this breeder is practicing as DMikeM suggests and repeatedly producing litters of potentially aggressive dogs for profit, then she needs to be stopped.
 
OdinBB

OdinBB

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Yes I signed a contract but it didn't say anything about taking him if I needed to re-home him. She finally returned my phone calls and gave me a potential trainer who might take Odin. I called and left a message, his name is Jerry Bradshaw, has anyone heard of him?? I hope something comes through, I spoke with the humane society and they will hold him for 3 days past Monday and maybe longer if I need it and there is space. But for sure he has 3 extra days.

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DMikeM

DMikeM

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I cannot legally disclose detailed information regarding the other aggressive pups. The only thing I can provide is at least one had to be PTS. People always ask me for the name of a good breeder and this is why I don't have an answer. At first glance this breeder looked great, but after careful investigation you can see they have a very nice big home on acreage with clearing way out back away from the home. Do you think the 11 or so dogs she owns lives in their home? Then look on her site to see what is for sale and what is expected. In my opinion this person is a puppy mill making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year on breeding mastiffs. I figure she made over 50 grand this quarter. Odin needs a home with a strong handler. The dog is not really just aggressive, he has issues and should be able to function normally in the proper conditions. Triggers can be something as little as staring at the dog in the face and smiling. Crusher will react to that from any one except me. Sometimes he will growl other times he will lock up and stare back. I correct him for it and grab his focus and no one has been hurt. If people remember 2 years ago Jade was the same with random people but I today I can let her play with any child or other dog with no fear of aggression. Not adults though.
 
OdinBB

OdinBB

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Man that makes me sick, she did seem reputable. I bought my Odin a few more days but that's it. Please if you or anyone on here knows anyone who can help my boy PM me and I'll give you my number.

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OdinBB

OdinBB

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I think I may have found a home for Odin!!!!! Thanks to DMikeM!!!!!!

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DMikeM

DMikeM

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This is great news. What a stressful past couple of days. I had people messaging me at all hours of the day and night asking questions. Must have been 10 people asking how to get him and 20 sharing his story all over Facebook. There was a couple jerks but if you ignore them they just go away. I'll be happy once I hear he has changed hands.
 
OdinBB

OdinBB

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Yes, we are supposed to meet Thursday I'll let you know how it goes. She also said she will be sending pics and updating me on how he is doing, so if interested I will be posting them.

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