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I recently rescued a little Mastiff puppy from what Iwould consider an unreputable breeder. HerAKC papers (which were literally thrown out the door with her) reflect that her parents were both born 1-13. This is disturbing thatthey both were less than one year old when her litter was born. Also they sharethe same birth date which tells me the parents may have been litter mates.Scary.
Anyway, we named her Abby. She was born10/28/13, she weighed 22 lbs on 1/25 (vet is not concerned, her body appearsnormal and healthy in size – she is just small). She has normal hip movementand flexibility now. Until we picked her up she had never seen a vet, beenwormed, had vaccinations or been outside of their yard. She is 13 weeks oldnow. We have had her a week. At the vet they did basic blood work, firstimmunizations, fecal and urine samples as well as a thorough exam; I have notheard anything from them so I am guessing all was normal. We go back nextSaturday 2/8.
Since Abby had no training from her parentsor humans we are starting from scratch, thankfully she is small and I can coaxher along. I am hoping you can give me some advice about a few things since theonly Mastiff’s I have ever had were Cane Corso and BullMastiff. I cannot askher breeder and I don’t know anyone that has English Mastiff’s. My vet is greatand I really like her, but she is a vet – she does medicine not practicalsolutions and training.
I should also mention that I have an eight year old Labrador, Earl, anda Great Dane, Rio, born 10/12/13 – Yes, TWO puppies!
Food: I currently have both puppies eatingPrecise Hollistic Large/Giant Breed puppy, but Abby has loose stools (think chocolate pudding). Herthird day of wormer was Wednesday. Her stoolwasn’t loose when she came to us, but they wouldn’t tell us what she was eatingso it has not been a smooth transition. Precise is expensive and if it doesn’tagree with her there is no point in feeding it. The only thing my vetrecommended for both puppies was to feed them Large/Giant breed puppy food; she didnot give any specific brands. I like Precise because it is made in the USA,holistic, organic and has a clear disclosure of ingredients which are humangrade; but if Precise doesn’t agree with her tummy’s than I need to switch. Doyou have any ideas how to figure out if it’s the food, stress, wormer,genetic??? My vet simply said try different brands until you find one thatagree’s with her. If you try a few and it doesn’t work then we can run tests,try prescription food or other diagnostic measures. I have also added aprobiotic to her diet.
Potty Training: We are crating her a night – it has beena sleepless week – but the moment I open her door at 2:30 a.m.,before I can get a leash on her, she runs to the bedroom to snuggle in with myhusband. I find her with her front paws on the mattress and her little tailwagging waiting to be lifted onto the bed. I try to skootch her out of thebedroom, down the hall to the front door and inevitably she pees on the groundalong the way. I have started just picking her up and making her go outside,but this isn’t the answer for too much longer. I did try putting a leash on herat night so I would have something besides her collar to get ahold of the inmorning but instead of chewing her Kong she chewed the leash off at the hasp. Ifigured that would happen, but it was worth a try! She seems to like to pee onfabric (t-shirt, towel, dog bed, etc.).
She is either in her crate, outside with one of us or oneof us is right there with her. For some reason she still pee’s in the house. Wecatch her and of course make a mad dash to skootch her out the door, praise herwhen she goes potty outside. It seems like she goes potty every time we bringher back inside even though she just went! She drinks a lot, but the vet isn’tconcerned and says it is normal and good for a dog that eats dry kibble todrink water and the pee is very small in volume.
Leash: since she doesn’t have all of her shots we canreally only walk her around in the yard. She doesn’t like it. She is not treatmotivated (never happened to me before and I’ve tried several different kindsincluding just plain cheese) and she really could seem to care less about goinganywhere except back inside. We aren’t really active people and have a fullyfenced back yard, but we will need to figure out a way to get her to move on aleash.
Basic training: I can get her to sit if I have a peanutbutter spoon and I am on the floor with her, but lay down, stand up, let me seeyour belly or anything beyond sit she looks at me like “yah right ladyâ€. We arewith her every moment we aren’t sleeping or at work. She goes in the car withus, to the hardware store, to our friends, we have people over, we play in theyard (the other dogs play in the yard, she sits at the door to go inside).
She seems happy, her little tail wags, she gives kisses,loves to snuggle in on the bean bags with us, since she has other dogs to playwith she doesn’t really chew on us and isn’t destructive (although we know thatit is possible after she is acclimated). She loves the other dogs and hasmelded right into the pack already. She is the sweetest, quiet, loving littlegirl; she reminds us of our BullMastiff Fergie – that same stubbornness.
The vet says puppy classes aren’t an option for anothercouple months, until immunizations are caught up and doing their job. I wouldreally appreciate any insight you have!!!!!
Thanks!
 

Sue42576

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Awwww....welcome:) I'm sure lil Abby will be fine...she has a loving family! Please post pics!

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DennasMom

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Yes, please post pics - of your whole pack! :)

As for all the rest... the food transition along with the wormer could be the pudding issue... I'd give it another week or two before you think about switching. The stress of a new home - even tho this one is OBVIOUSLY better - could also be adding to the issue.

Sounds like you know what you're doing with the rest of it and have all sorts of experience to draw on - it will take her a little while to "get" it, since she had anti-training happening for a while longer than most puppies... but as long as you're consistent, and let her know what's good and what's not in ways she understands, she'll get there.

Can you block the crate door with a pillow or something so you can leash her up before she runs for "snuggle time with Daddy"?
We used snuggle time as a reward for a good morning potty - not the 2am one, but the 5am one (within an hour or so of the alarm). :) Something about a sleepy puppy is just irresistible to us humans around here, too...

The play time outside I think will come with time - and better weather will probably help, too.

I'd keep her out there long enough during the day-time potty breaks to pee twice... get her to chase YOU around the yard to get things moving. Have really, really awesome Potty Parties (excited, baby talk, clapping of hands, etc.) - but don't take the party inside - make sure the excitement stays outside, so she starts to want to stay out there longer (and get that potential second pee done before going inside).

Sounds like she's a great EM!! Will work for praise and snuggles! I would guess treats will become more interesting once she fills her 6 week backlog of snuggles... :)

I think your vet is being technically correct with not taking classes until all immunizations are complete... but... when meeting with a group of puppies at the same level of vaccination or verified vaccinated adult dogs in a controlled location (i.e. classroom where accidents are cleaned up appropriately) the risk is pretty low. We decided the rewards of a well-socialized puppy out-weighed the risk - but that's a personal decision, as the risk does exist.

Can't wait to see pictures!
 

ruthcatrin

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She sounds like a normal puppy, especially considering her background.

Ditto Denna'sMom's comments on the food problem. The wormer alone will cause diarrhea, as will the home transition, as will the abrupt food transition. You might consider a boiled chicken or beef and rice diet for a few days to see if you can get her back to normal, and then do a proper transition to the kibble of your choice.

Puppy class: if she's had her first set of shots see if you can find a puppy class for pups her age, one that cleans the floor properly between classes. Its not ideal, but you need to get her out and about considering her background. Also, if you have friends with healthy, vaccinated, dogs who are friendly you can have them come over to your place for a meet and greet with her for more socialization. I'd definetly NOT expose her to pet-store floors, dog park grass, or other places where large numbers of dogs you have no information on have walked and potentially pottied.
 

mcleodcon

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If you continue to still have problems with her poops, after you figure out whether it is the stress or wormer, I would say look at foods that are chicken and grain free. A lot of mastiffs have an intolerance to both of these. My EM does and it took a bit to find a food that works for her (even tried raw diet, which was great, just couldn't afford it anymore). Also if you are going to go chicken and grain free, you need to watch the calcium/phosphorus ratio. I think they say no more that 1.5 to 1 (but someone chime in a correct me if I am wrong)
I think she will be great, I got Izzy at 13 weeks and we just got lay down. We are still working on the stays. She likes to be with me so it is hard. She also hated the leash but within a couple weeks she understood she was still going to have to wear it and would no longer try to pull herself out or buck it off.
It will all come together for you soon, it will just take some time.
 
Keeping the leash on in the crate I think is dangerous. As for her food try Iams puppy . But stop her diarrhea first try canned pumpkin and cooked rice and as she gets a little better you can add some cooked ground beef grease drained good luck


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ruthcatrin

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Keeping the leash on in the crate I think is dangerous. As for her food try Iams puppy . But stop her diarrhea first try canned pumpkin and cooked rice and as she gets a little better you can add some cooked ground beef grease drained good luck


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Considering that Annavellie specified that she prefers a food: "made in the USA,holistic, organic and has a clear disclosure of ingredients which are humangrade" I think the chances that she'll feed Iams is REALLY REALLY small.

Also, the only time you should eliminate protein from a growing puppies diet completely is on the advice of a Vet!

 

ruthcatrin

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Annavellie, is this the food you're feeding: Precise Pet Products | Large Giant Breed Puppy ?

Off the top of my head it looks like a decent food. The calcium to phosphorus ratio isn't ideal, it ought to be 1.2 to 1, and the phos is a bit low there, but not excessively so. If however it doesn't work out for your pup you might look at the Acana products, some of them are giant breed puppy appropriate.
 

DennasMom

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Sweet pictures!!

I learned, after coming here, that Great Danes are also known as German Mastiffs... so you are now, officially, a multi-mastiff home. :)

I love the sleeping picture where they curled up together. :)

Let us know how it all goes!
 
Yes that is the food I am feeding.
I've heard a few people say they had problems with loose stool. I will look at acana.
Abby is small, my vets only advice is two meals a day, large giant breed kibble with water if needed to soften and don't miss a meal. Make sure she eats it all!
As for the leash, I had to try something because what I was doing wasn't working.

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ruthcatrin

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She's a cutie!

I'm going to argue with your vet. 3 meals a day, till she's at least 6 months old, maybe even a year depending on her growth patterns.
 

musicdeb

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Welcome aboard~ Abby is adorable. Word should get out about this BYB, they are a disgrace to breeders.
 
I have to work. Three meals is not an option unless it is one in the middle of the night.
Gotta pay for that kibble!

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She has a doggy door that goes from the laundry room to a small fenced potty yard which is surrounded by a six ft fence and is in the interior of our larger yard which is also surrounded by a six ft fence. She always shares it with another dog. I rotate taking one of them to the office with me.

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