Selling CCs on craigslist.........what is ICCF?

[natsan6]

[h=2]when will I learn not to look..............pups are awfully cute. Even for craigslist this is tempting.


Italian Security System - $800[/h]

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Date: 2012-06-16, 10:59AM CDT
Reply to: rdd97-3081611583@sale.craigslist.org [SUP][Errors when replying to ads?][/SUP]

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Get the perfect, personal, Italian Security System. The Cane Corso (Italian Mastiff)

Cane Corso Pups from Top Imported Blood lines, Hungarian & Russian, ICCF Reg. Grt. Grandsire is the famous Ceasare from Timoniere Kennels in Hungary. ICCF reg, health guarantee, shots and dewormed. Determined Guard Dog and Loyal, Loving Family Companions. $800. Email or text for more info 936-668-1358

Very loyal and willing to please; but also quiet around the house. The Cane Corso is quite intelligent and very trainable. Active and even-minded, he/she is an unequalled watch and protection dog. The Cane Corso is excellent with children in the family. He/She exhibits a docile temperament and extremely affectionate with the owner. They are protective and yet gentle. The Cane Corso has a very even temperament. It makes an admirable guard dog and watchdog.
AKC describes the Cane Corso as "Temperament: The Cane Corso as a protector of his property and owners is unequaled. Intelligent, he is easily trained. Noble, majestic and powerful his, presence is impressive. He is docile and affectionate to his owner, loving with children and family."

The Cane Corso is not the breed or type to wonder from the home. They stay close to their master's side. If necessary he becomes a reckoning force and brave protector of people, house and property.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

It is the registry that used to register the Cane Corso before they were recognized by the AKC. They are still registering dogs but most register with the AKC now as it is recognized by other countries as well. The stud book is still open with the AKC so if they have ICCF papers then they are still able to be registered AKC until it closes and then I don't believe they will continue to accept the ICCF paperwork.

I do find it interesting that they reference the AKC standard but don't seem to registered with the AKC just ICCF?

I am also curious what kennel these dogs are coming from as I don't know that there are a lot of Cesare blood lines over here at the moment.

 

[natsan6]

I do find it interesting that they reference the AKC standard but don't seem to registered with the AKC just ICCF?

That is exactly why I asked, I found it strange. I will admit I am finding CCs more and more tempting. I think that if I wasn't such a busy mom right now I would get one and let Jagger grow up with a bud. I just know that I wouldn't have the "time" right now. I could make it work but I don't think it would be the dedication that he or she would need The more I see and hear about them the worse it gets LOL! So I guess I am just watching out for kennels and posts and whatnot to educate myself in the mean time. Thanks for explaining

 

[AKBull]

And what about the obvious... 800 bucks??

 

[natsan6]

AKBull I honestly don't know what price ranges CCs go for so I didn't really notice that I know that would be incredibly low for an EM from a reputable breeder. Maybe it is because they aren't AKC registered just with the other registry, I dunno. I did think of you when I saw this though what a cool face on this guy ....so sad
[h=2]Red Bull Masstif - $400 (Pearland)[/h]

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Date: 2012-06-17, 5:00PM CDT
Reply to: fzgr7-3083993273@sale.craigslist.org [SUP][Errors when replying to ads?][/SUP]

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One year old male Red Fawn Mastiff. Great coat, big chest! Very friendly to strangers. He has registration papers. Very healthy. All updated shots and records.

 

[Cody]

The average price for a well bred CC from a reputable breeder is any where from 1800 (pet) to 3500$ to more if you are importing.
Depends on the breeder, the lines and what you are looking for as far as pedigrees.
800 is a huge flag.
There are many breeders who register ICCF for various reasons, a BIG one being that then the AKC doesn't know how many litters they are having
It is then up to the puppy buyers to register their pups AKC individually, which for the most part isn't done. It is an easy way around people knowing how many pups are actually coming out of kennels
My advice is, DO NOT GET A CORSO OFF CL OR KIJIJI! Please for those of us who love this breed and want to see it prosper stop supporting the backyardigan breeders. It is not saving a pup, it is putting money in their pockets and giving them a reason to breed again.
Please....

 

[natsan6]

My advice is, DO NOT GET A CORSO OFF CL OR KIJIJI! Please for those of us who love this breed and want to see it prosper stop supporting the backyardigan breeders. It is not saving a pup, it is putting money in their pockets and giving them a reason to breed again.
Please....

No way No how would I go there! Uh-uh! I was uneducated when I got Jagger but I am a quick learner this forum taught me at least how to recognize a decent breeder from a no-no. I just honestly hadn't gotten that far in educating myself about corso so I didn't want to speak about what I didn't know. I can't help to check CL and/or area shelters, I watch for a neocross foster I had to give up awhile back listed on one or the other. I truly thought he was to much for the girl and left to his own devices to much so I am afraid she will end up giving him up again. I do have a strong desire to own a CC but as of right now like I said I know I am just too busy. (my husband would kill me if he even knew I wanted another pup right now!) I have seen really nice websites for breeders right along with CL ads that still feel fishy and just don't seem right, so I would run it by the board first, all of you could pick-up little things that I might miss.

The average price for a well bred CC from a reputable breeder is any where from 1800 (pet) to 3500$ to more if you are importing.

This is what I know I could expect for an EM as well...

I understood from the first ad it was selling not saving but the second one that is re-homing I feel is different. I am torn about finding a grown dog on CL that someone is basically pawning off and not calling that saving, even though I feel it is unethical to sell your family member like that I feel like who ever took that dog and loved him forever would be saving it. They are supposed to be banned from selling puppies on CL but they do it anyway and I report/flag them every time. So yes I can promise you I won't ever purchase a CC from either source.

 

[Cody]

I am feel the same about the second add, it seems to be a rehoming
That was more in general then directed at you, the please don't buy. It is just getting worse and worse, I know here in Alberta we have 14 CC breeders and more turning up in rescues. Is just sad.

 

[natsan6]

This is the first ad on CL here that I have seen for CCs, but I only search under "mastiff" or "Neapolitan/Italian Mastiff" (that is how she referred to Gemini) so I am sure there are more. Houston is riddled with the "tough dog= tough dude" types that don't have this build of dog for the right reasons. It isn't rare to see some fool walking around with a tow chain for a leash in the city.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

We are having the same problem up here with Kijiji, they are listing them as mastiff crosses. We have a couple here in the area that are pumping out puppies like crazy and one that has dogs from a well known "sick" line that just had a litter of 10 I think this spring that has had 2 litters so far. In the end after reading the stories of others that have gotten dogs from those lines I can't help but feel worried about the other people that are getting puppies from this "breeder" not knowing what they might be getting themselves into

 

[Cody]

Mary, is there a breeder breedingto Rustic lines there as well?
I know the one here just had 2 litters, but I thought he was the only one still using those lines.

 

[dpenning]

isn't it agains the rules to sell puppies on craigslist? I don't go there so am not certain how it works but can someone shut down for selling dogs, not security systems?

 

[Aplatitsin]

What would you guys say about Machiavelli bloodlines

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

isn't it agains the rules to sell puppies on craigslist? I don't go there so am not certain how it works but can someone shut down for selling dogs, not security systems?

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There is but they call it a "re-homing fee" Usually such postings in my area are flagged.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Mary, is there a breeder breedingto Rustic lines there as well?
I know the one here just had 2 litters, but I thought he was the only one still using those lines.

Yes she actually got her dogs from the "breeder" out west and is populating the east coast I only found out because someone here also has a male from the Majestic Cane Corso that is trying to stud him out to others with corsi because he would be a great stud dog

What would you guys say about Machiavelli bloodlines

Do you mean Rivale's Mach?

 

[Cody]

Yes she actually got her dogs from the "breeder" out west and is populating the east coast ?

DAMN! WTF?
He has 2 litters on the ground right now line bred to Rustic after sending me an email last year stating he would NEVER use those lines again! I still have the letter.
That really sucks, what is wrong with people.
Currently looking for a home for a Majestic dog in rescue that they "don't have room" to take back.
Love the responsiblity that is happening...

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

DAMN! WTF?
He has 2 litters on the ground right now line bred to Rustic after sending me an email last year stating he would NEVER use those lines again! I still have the letter.
That really sucks, what is wrong with people.
Currently looking for a home for a Majestic dog in rescue that they "don't have room" to take back.
Love the responsiblity that is happening...

This is the second litter from this particular female and she might have been bred to the majestic male as they haven't said who the father is. So I guess not only is he still breeding his dogs but he is fine with selling them as breeding stock. Not shocked unfortunately

 

[Cody]

I know he is, and no I am not shocked.
Not even shocked if it is Majestic that they are using. She bred 2 Epi litters, the 2nd after most of the first had died, knowing what she was doing...
I have met some of his pups, Sketchy sketchy little dogs... I also met a "PP" trained GSD.
Scary skittish dog that went apesh*t if any one tried to touch it.
Teaching unstable dogs to bite... Need I say more

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Nope pretty much speaks for itself. I have messaged the girl about her puppies in case she doesn't know but I will be interested to hear her reply.

 

[Oak Hill Farm]

I know he is, and no I am not shocked.
Not even shocked if it is Majestic that they are using. She bred 2 Epi litters, the 2nd after most of the first had died, knowing what she was doing...
I have met some of his pups, Sketchy sketchy little dogs... I also met a "PP" trained GSD.
Scary skittish dog that went apesh*t if any one tried to touch it.
Teaching unstable dogs to bite... Need I say more

*sigh* going on 9 years now or so....I remember when the poo hit the fan on that years ago ;(