Stud Agreement?

[ruthcatrin]

Ok, Apollo's breeder just contacted us about allowing Apollo to be used for stud for a bitch owned by a friend of hers. She IS more than willing to help me figure out the stud agreement and everything else involved but is there anything you folks who've bred can think of I should be aware of, watch for, mention....

We'd have to have his OFA prelims done now instead of just having them done for real after he turns two....

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Are they planning natural or AI? If natural then usually the female comes to the stud. If AI start sourcing vets that are capable of doing the collection and see if you can locate a teaser bitch in your area as sometimes males need a little stimulation. If natural make sure the female has been wormed recently to make sure she is clear of passing on any parasites.

Make sure that there are parameters for what happens if she doesn't take, some people say too bad others do a repeat for free. Are you the one that is going to be collecting the stud fee or puppy back or will it be your breeder?

 

[ruthcatrin]

Stud fee would be mine (no puppy back, as much as I'd love one, the last thing I need is another puppy right now).

She's close enough that natural would be very possible without excessive travel (CT to NY), although thats one of the details to be worked out.

The rest is still up in the air a bit, partially because the idea of Apollo as stud is still up in the air---we have to arrange getting his hips/elbows pre-limed as we weren't actually going to do the xrays till after he turned 2, not that anyone else in the family as any issues, including several of his sibs, but you never know, plus he's never actually shown......

Worming, didn't think of that, but heck yah, Apollo picked up roundworms last year from god knows where and that sucked....

 

[ruthcatrin]

Also, its not like this is a huge rush cause they expect her to go into heat next week. TM females have an actual "season", so the breeding wouldn't happen for a couple months. But I guess the originally planned stud's hips didn't pass OFA.....

 

[Robtouw]

Have the owner of the bitch complete a vet check and give you a statement from her vet. It's amazing how many dog owners will breed without being current on shots, wormer, basic hygiene, etc. It will protect your guy from any transmissionable issue.

Years ago I traveled to NY from NC to breed my Czech Rotti to another. Both dogs were from the same Kennel in Czechlovakia. We (owners) met by accident in DC while we were staying in a hotel, it was a funny coincidence! After several months of waiting for the right time, getting all of the necessary paperwork and pretesting we arranged a nice meeting in a great location. The female was beautiful and they were excited to see each other so we thought a natural breeding would be easy.. HA! They spent the day together going round and round the room and when Rollie decided he knew what to do, he mounted her and bit the crap outta her! She ended up pregnant but with 10 stitches! You never know how they will react! In his defense, it was his first time and he hadn't been around a girl in a long time! They were proud parents of 6 beautiful pups.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Yah, that would be another concern. Apollo's a big gentle goof who's never harmed a soul and backs away at the first yelp of pain, but when the horomones are up....and that assumes the female decides she likes him!

 

[Robtouw]

It took Rollie & the chickie three days to decide to get on with it!

 

[Jadotha]

Our breeders and breeder friends here in the US have required Brucellosis tests for bitches as part of their Stud agreements.

Canine brucellosis, caused by Brucella canis, is an important cause of reproductive failure, particularly in kennels. B. abortus causes abortions, stillbirths, epididymitis, orchitis and sperm abnormalities in dogs. Canine brucellosis can end the reproductive career of a breeding animal.

http://www.cfsph.iastate.edu/Factsheets/pdfs/brucellosis_canis.pdf

 

[ruthcatrin]

Ouch. I'll mention that to Apollo's breeder, I believe the bitch has been bred before but its still worth checking....

 

[Jadotha]

Screening before Breeding:
The RSAT (Rapid Slide Agglutination Test) is a test that can readily identify negative dogs. That is, if the test comes out negative, the dog can be considered negative. If the test comes out positive, further testing is needed. Up to 60% false positives occur. A test kit is available for use inside the veterinary hospital and some facilities can perform this test while you wait.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Ok, the good news is that she very much wants Apollo for stud, but for the girl she's planning on breeding next year instead of this year. So much less rush, I don't have to rush his prelims, but I'd still love input on the stud agreement if anyone has any more!

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

you can try googling stud contracts... there are a ton of different ones that might give you some various ideas on what to add too. That is what we did when looking at stud agreements and co-owns.

 

[Robtouw]

Since its next year that gives you plenty of time to get things in order! Lucky you! I'm glad I bred Rollie, the thought of little Rollies out there makes me happy. He was a wonderful dog!

 

[Tailcreek]

Get copies of any of the bitches health testing that you require to be done, certified copy of her pedigree and signed stud contract in advance of the breeding. Determine if you will ask for a deposit? Will you charge a full stud fee if only one or two live puppies are whelped? outline what both the bitch owner and stud owners responsiblities will be - who will travel? who pays for the collection if needed? when will the stud fee be due? what happens if the bitch fails to conceive?

Jennifer
www.tailcreekmastiffs.com

 

[ruthcatrin]

Thank you!

 

[Oak Hill Farm]

Not really in your agreement question, but I would have his semen tested for sperm count and motility.

It's major bonus points when looking for a stud, and it helps the potential "buyers" ease their minds on the what ifs.

It's only in my mind, because it's an issue that recently happened to me.


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[ruthcatrin]

I can see where it would be a plus. I'll have to keep it in mind. Especially if we can get some points on him.....his brother's already a grand champion (at the age of 1.5), but Apollo's color is 'more legal' under the current standard....so having that extra "yes he's fertile" proof....we are hoping to hit at least one show, if not two, this fall.

 

[TN Dogues]

There are, in my opinion, three things that must be in a stud contract...

1) It must state what the stud fee is and WHEN it is DUE. Some contracts allow for the stud fee to be paid 1/2 up front and the balance by the time the puppies are 6-8 weeks. Other contracts ask for the entire stud fee up front. If it allows for pick of the litter then it should state when pup is chosen, picked up, and what happens if there are only 2 pups or less.

2) The contract should state who is responsible for WHAT. WHAT testing is needed before the breeding (like Brucellosis) And who pays for the AI if necessary. Who pays for sperm testing, collection. Who brings which dog where. And what happens in the case of NO pregnancy.
We tried for a natural breeding - but with an inexperienced stud dog (and inexperienced stud dog owner). The male was too heavy for our female without assistance. Since the stud dog owner just left them alone together and thought nature would take over - we did not get a successful breeding.
So, as a stud dog owner you should be prepared to ASSIST the mating if needed. That might mean holding the female or male and maybe more.

3) Care for the female. A good stud dog contract states care for the female, responsibility in case of loss, and length of stay.