Bandogge

[GamebredNupe]

Zulu mastiff was created by a guy from my area they called Nug...he had the first Zulu named Cisero and is well known in the APBT world

 

[Tiger12490]

What is the Zulu made up of? and what where they created to do? Seems interesting where are you from

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[GamebredNupe]

What is the Zulu made up of? and what where they created to do? Seems interesting where are you from

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He originally bred them to pit against other dogs but also make excellent guard dogs. It was a cross of dane, bull mastiff and pit I believe...I'm in Mississippi

 

[GamebredNupe]

 

[chuckorlando]

Is that the zulu mastiff in the last pic? Looks pretty small for having 1/3 of two of the largest dogs in the world in there. From what I gather from Tiger is a bandog is breed to do a specific job. You know what your breeding to what to get the result you need to do a certain job. If it is just breeding to breed that is not a bandog. Thats just a mixed dog. I would also say some dude in Miss cant just start a breed. Thats no diffrent than a designer mutt. Not to say it could not become a breed. But with such vague tellings on them I doubt it. I mean what was it breed to do specifically? If the answer is just protect then he just made a mutt and got lucky cause their are tons of protection breeds. No need to just start a new one. Except t say " I have this dog, that dog, I'll make some mutts and sale them to make some jack". There has to be some job for the dog, some reason to create it to start.

Just because a dog dont care for people dont make the dog unstable. Some folks seek out that temperament.

 

[GamebredNupe]

I understand where youre coming from but I doubt he just got lucky with his history and knowledge of dogs. My dog has a lot more pit in him than a normal zulu. The first Zulu was Cisero who weighed about 165 with bone structure like a mastiff...height of a dane and game like a pit

 

[ruthcatrin]

I understand where youre coming from but I doubt he just got lucky with his history and knowledge of dogs.

You're striking me as rather naive about the process honestly. And although I don't have a problem with deliberetly bred Banddogs, I'm kinda less than impressed with your breeding plans. You're taking a dog you know little to nothing about and breeding it. Thats not responsible breeding, regardless of what you're trying to create.

 

[chuckorlando]

I'm not saying he was lucky. I'm saying either he had a end game and a plan to get there, or he's lucky. What was the dog intended to do? And 165lb to pit size is one hell of a swing to call the same breed

I understand where youre coming from but I doubt he just got lucky with his history and knowledge of dogs. My dog has a lot more pit in him than a normal zulu. The first Zulu was Cisero who weighed about 165 with bone structure like a mastiff...height of a dane and game like a pit

 

[Tiger12490]

Yes im for one not feeling the program, us bandog guys have it hard a mist the purebred fanciers and its because there alot of people slapping together breeds with no testing of stock with no clear view just for money...I feel thats where this is going and where its from...like these guys here on the forum have heard me say a million times...unless your dogs parents and there parents before them have been worked (im talking about real work, hog hunting, true PP, sport) and worked hard clear off the edge of the pedigree you have a mutt.....theres nothing wrong with that BUT they cant be lumped in with true working class bandogs.....apples and oranges..look up Donovan Pinchers, Dutch Rikers, Manson Family Bandogs, Tornabene Bandogs...there are others, some names escape me......all extremely respected names among the culture these people been working and breeding dogs for like 20 yr plus and they all worked other breeds of dogs but needed to make a dog to do the task better...that's the mind of a bandog breeder....

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[Duetsche_Doggen]

Yes im for one not feeling the program, us bandog guys have it hard a mist the purebred fanciers and its because there alot of people slapping together breeds with no testing of stock with no clear view just for money...I feel thats where this is going and where its from...like these guys here on the forum have heard me say a million times...unless your dogs parents and there parents before them have been worked (im talking about real work, hog hunting, true PP, sport) and worked hard clear off the edge of the pedigree you have a mutt.....theres nothing wrong with that BUT they cant be lumped in with true working class bandogs.....apples and oranges..look up Donovan Pinchers, Dutch Rikers, Manson Family Bandogs, Tornabene Bandogs...there are others, some names escape me......all extremely respected names among the culture these people been working and breeding dogs for like 20 yr plus and they all worked other breeds of dogs but needed to make a dog to do the task better...that's the mind of a bandog breeder....

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This X10

 

[GamebredNupe]

I'm not saying he was lucky. I'm saying either he had a end game and a plan to get there, or he's lucky. What was the dog intended to do? And 165lb to pit size is one hell of a swing to call the same breed

My dog there in that pic is about 110lbs. He bred them for protection and matching

 

[GamebredNupe]

Yes im for one not feeling the program, us bandog guys have it hard a mist the purebred fanciers and its because there alot of people slapping together breeds with no testing of stock with no clear view just for money...I feel thats where this is going and where its from...like these guys here on the forum have heard me say a million times...unless your dogs parents and there parents before them have been worked (im talking about real work, hog hunting, true PP, sport) and worked hard clear off the edge of the pedigree you have a mutt.....theres nothing wrong with that BUT they cant be lumped in with true working class bandogs.....apples and oranges..look up Donovan Pinchers, Dutch Rikers, Manson Family Bandogs, Tornabene Bandogs...there are others, some names escape me......all extremely respected names among the culture these people been working and breeding dogs for like 20 yr plus and they all worked other breeds of dogs but needed to make a dog to do the task better...that's the mind of a bandog breeder....

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I see where you're coming from. A guy I met through my job invited me to start hunting with him because he is a fan of bans but doesn't have one himself. Said he could start my male out and see what he has. I don't know what exactly the history of the line is. I'm going mainly off of the word of a friend and I've raised this dog from a pup. I like him and he suggested a breeding that he thinks will be good. He also owns presa's and corso's. Idk only time will tell

 

[DMikeM]

Matching? You mean dog fighting right? I sure the hell hope not!
Bandogs are crossed for a purpose not just random breeding to see what comes out. One breed might be a good chase dog for hogging, the other might be a great catch dog, so the breeder crosses them to get a perfecr hogging dog. Then the breed is tested to see if they get what they wanted. If not they go back to the table and try to fix it.

 

[OwlSong]

oh, he likes dog fighting....he is posting over at PBC about how he wants his dogs to perform their "original purpose" before ever breeding them

 

[Tiger12490]

Well I'm gonna stay away from the dog fighting though I say I hope you wouldn't match your dog (yep fight them) that would be pretty effed up and would fail anyway....but you probably should of had that dog catching and doing some actual bite work before breeding him...and theoretically your female should of been too....honestly this sounds alot like the exact opposite way you should conduct yourself as a responsible and moral breeder...this is nothing like the bandog community that I like to call myself apart of....it seems like a bunch of punks trying to breed a big pit for no real reason but to "match" and look hard in the back of there yard ..thats all....im not trying to be mean but I grew up in the city and I know how this stuff goes...

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[AKBull]

We don't condone or support dog fighting or "matching" on this forum. Period.

This thread will be closed if it continues to go that route.

 

[chuckorlando]

Ah hell.

 

[AKBull]

Ah hell.

I'm not trying to be an ass, but this thread is walking a thin line.

 

[ruthcatrin]

I missed the line about matching.

Lovely, so we've got an irresponsible breeder who does dog-fighting? Oh yay.....

 

[DMikeM]

Thanks, AKB. I totally agree with our Mod. It should not be tolerated or discussed in this type of forum. (Or anywhere in my opinion). Civilized man should have no cause to force animals to fight to sate his blood lust.