Designer dogs-this makes me mad!!

[lilliesmomma]

There is an add in my newspaper that starts off " Designer dogs." Well these so called designer dogs are a Great Dane/Lab mix. It reads the BEST of both breeds and they are asking $250.00 for them. It sounds to me as if it was an accidental breeding and they are trying to pass it off as a good thing. Makes me very angry.

 

[NeoBull]

unfortunately I HIGHLY doubt it was an accident... the designer mutt think is getting sooo out of control! I've seen Mastidoodle (Mastiff Poodle), Danadoodles (Dane Poodle), Pitadoodles (Pit Poodle)! The first gos on and on... sometimes it's almost like there are bored people sitting around TRYING to come up with the most ridiculous combinations they can think of to breed just to get the next "in" designer mutt!

 

[Smart_Family]

There were no pics but the ones I saw on Craigslist today were pit and bichon frise mix puppies. I pray that was accidental.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

People will buy because its "different" or "healthier"

 

[stephanieb]

mastadoodle? Please tell me you are joking. Ren is half bull half english so it's not that I am dead set against cross breeds, but some things are just not meant to be. I have to say a mastadoodle would be one of those things for me

 

[OdeMX]

I've seen Mastidoodle (Mastiff Poodle), Danadoodles (Dane Poodle), Pitadoodles (Pit Poodle)!

OMG! It's true. Those dogs look like a joke, if it was a cartoon bet real pitbulls and mastiffs bully them

 

[allformyk9s]

Grrr people irritate me to no end ... there is no "designer" breed .. call it what it is: a mutt, a mix breed - which are great dogs, a few of mine are heinz 57's & I love them. BUT sadly there are many folks out there that dont any better & will shell out x amount of $ for their "designer dog" :/

 

[Kandie]

I think it's horrible. And people spend big $$ on these dogs. So sad

 

[NeoBull]

OMG! It's true. Those dogs look like a joke, if it was a cartoon bet real pitbulls and mastiffs bully them

YIKES! I don't think I ever searched for pics before, I've just seen adds for the poor things in the paper. I just don't get the whole, "mix it with a poople" craze!

Lol... poople... I meant Poodle!

 

[chuckorlando]

I was wondering the same thing with the poodle. We had a cockapoo I guess as a kid. Just a mutt but cockerspanial and poodle mix. But even 20yr ago folks called it a cockapoo. I love mutts. Why people breed them is beyond me. But all the dogs I saved from the clink were great mutts.

 

[emimayu]

okay except like my mom's REALLY allergic to most dogs except for poodles, and mixes like this allow us to have a wide range of dog options while still having the non-allergic-reaction she has with poodles???

plus she's a total neat freak so having a poodle mix pretty much eliminates shedding and, again, allows us to have a wide variety of choice to an otherwise practically dogless house????

i mean it's a bit of a silly idea but for neat-freak homes or high-allergy homes it's p much a godsend :/ no reason to be so negative about it.

 

[Mjunior]

Hi there,
I set out to but a bull mastiff / mastiff mix. a Doubull mastiff and I found one and gladly paid $400. I did DNA test just to make certain and met the parents. My wife purchased a full bred chow chow. We each got exactly the dog we wanted. I wanted a dog not quite as big as a mastiff and not quite as aggressive as a bull-mastiff. I was able to get exactly what I wanted. He is not a show dog but rather is my best buddy and that's all I wanted. So were both happy. They did not advertise him as a designer dog but rather as a mix. Which is fine.

 

[ruthcatrin]

okay except like my mom's REALLY allergic to most dogs except for poodles, and mixes like this allow us to have a wide range of dog options while still having the non-allergic-reaction she has with poodles???

plus she's a total neat freak so having a poodle mix pretty much eliminates shedding and, again, allows us to have a wide variety of choice to an otherwise practically dogless house????

i mean it's a bit of a silly idea but for neat-freak homes or high-allergy homes it's p much a godsend :/ no reason to be so negative about it.

What is it with people and their first posts defending their "designer"dogs lately?

If you wish to spend a fortune on a mixed breed dog who's parents have had little to no health testing, are being bred repeately with little care or the health of the bitch, thn that is your perogetive. But keep in mind that just because your mother doesn't react to poodles does NOT mean that she's not going to react to a poodle cross. Infact testing has shown that less than 50%of such crosses are actually "hypoallergenic", regardless of the breed the poodle is crossed to.

Mjunior: I'm delighted you're happy with your mixed breed dog. However he is NOT a breed of mastiff. He is a cross breed, and calling him a cutsy cross breed name only encourages people to go buy pups from BYBs who who pumping out pups with little regard for the health and temperment of the parents. And frankly there is no guarantee that such a cross is going to produce the temperment you desire. Thats part of why they are a cross breed and not a breed, there is no way to predict how the genes will fall and you could have ended up with a giant headed cross breed who not only had the temperment you didn't want, but also added breathing problems due to the structure of the heads.

 

[taisa899]

My buddy just got 2 puppies that are Jack Russel Terrier/Black Lab mixes

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[Mjunior]

What is it with people and their first posts defending their "designer"dogs lately?

If you wish to spend a fortune on a mixed breed dog who's parents have had little to no health testing, are being bred repeately with little care or the health of the bitch, thn that is your perogetive. But keep in mind that just because your mother doesn't react to poodles does NOT mean that she's not going to react to a poodle cross. Infact testing has shown that less than 50%of such crosses are actually "hypoallergenic", regardless of the breed the poodle is crossed to.

Mjunior: I'm delighted you're happy with your mixed breed dog. However he is NOT a breed of mastiff. He is a cross breed, and calling him a cutsy cross breed name only encourages people to go buy pups from BYBs who who pumping out pups with little regard for the health and temperment of the parents. And frankly there is no guarantee that such a cross is going to produce the temperment you desire. Thats part of why they are a cross breed and not a breed, there is no way to predict how the genes will fall and you could have ended up with a giant headed cross breed who not only had the temperment you didn't want, but also added breathing problems due to the structure of the heads.

One of my concerns when selecting a pet was health and I am certain you know its a fact that a cross breed has less health problems than a purebred. Simply more diverse DNA. That said, My puppy's parents were both purebred. Im sure you know that in another 200 years we wont even be able to have the breeds we have now because the DNA pool is not large enough and they will simply eventually fall apart. And your right my puppy is not a breed of mastiff. He is a mastiff bullmastiff mix. When ppl ask what kind of dog is that? I say "A mastiff bull-mastiff mix."

As long as ppl like mixed breeds people will sell mixed breeds. They are not competition dogs they are just pets. I dont see anything wrong with that provided they are well taken care of and well bred. Not liking them is IMHO very prejudice. Every one should be able to get whatever breed or mixed breed they want and enjoy them. ANyhow, I would not fear these new breeds becoming competitive breeds and dont allow them to lessen your pride in owning a purebed. However remember this, there are lots of lovely people whom cannot afford purebred dogs. They can afford the food and a wonderful home for them though. Why should they not own a dog also? Should they own a mix of 5 breeds or just two? Who is to say.

Also does anyone know what breeds they mixed English mastiffs with to save the breed? I realize they almost went extinct after the war. It just did not say what they mixed them with.

 

[Smokeycat]

The theory of hybrid vigor is just that a theory. It is true that there is more diverse DNA but the pups are almost always stated as having the best of both breeds and none of the bad. Some of the puppies will be what is advertised but there is a far greater chance that there will be an undesired trait that is expressed. Puppies can also inherit disorders from both breeds if the parents are untested.

I have a mixed breed that was sold to me under the designer name of Golden Irish, the beauty of the Irish Setter with the personality of the Golden Retriever. He is a first cross between a GR and an IS so I know his DNA is 50/50. He looks and acts like an Irish Setter for both good and bad. There is very little GR expressed and not the way it was 'supposed' to be. From what I've been able to discover is that his behavior is pure IS from being high strung right down to the fussy eating nature of the breed. The GR expressed is in his coat. His feathering is shorter than an IS, his tail is thicker and he has a gold butt. Jiggers is a prime example that not all designer dogs are going to be what the breeder says they will and this is because there is no way to control how they DNA is expressed when mixing breeds. At least with Kryten I was able to have a better idea of what may happen/change since I only needed to learn the details of one breed.

 

[ruthcatrin]

One of my concerns when selecting a pet was health and I am certain you know its a fact that a cross breed has less health problems than a purebred. Simply more diverse DNA.

Actually thats recently been proven incorrect. And its especially incorrect if the parents come from breeds that have the same sets of health problems, which both the BM and the EM do.

I don't dislike mixed breeds. I HATE BYBs who advertise their mixed breeds under cutsy names designed to draw in people into paying massive sums of money for dogs who've had no health testing (which is FAR more than just having a vet pronounce both dogs healthy), and with little vet care for the parents and pups. These BYBs have very little care for the temperments they're breeding together, for the phsyical qualities of the dogs they're breeding. They don't really care about the homes the pups go to, or what happens to the pups after that point. Their goal is to make money off their fancy mixed breed pups.

I have no problem with breeders who choose two dogs of different breeds, have complete health testing done on them, have a specific goal in mind with the breeding, and have a plan in place to handle any pups who don't find homes or who's homes don't work out.

I understand that accidental breedings happen. Bitches will frequently do anything to attract a mate and males have been known to go through walls, doors, fences, crates, etc in order to get at a bitch in heat. But someone who's truely had an accident, who truely cares for their dogs and pups isn't out to make money and is out to ensure a good home for all the pups. And ISN"T going to have repeated "accidental litters".

You say you care about the health of your pup, did the parents have their health tests done? Do you know their hip and elbow scores? Their hearts checked? their eyes checked? Thyroid and Kidney's checked? DNA runs done to confirm they don't carry a fairly signifigant list of genetic diseases? How about their parents? There's a REASON the good pure-bred breeders do those tests, and some of them are REALLY NASTY WAYS TO DIE, and the rest are extremely painfull ways to live.

 

[Penelope's Mom]

People are ridiculous. Im surprised there hasn't been a Mastiff/Chihuahua "designer dog" yet.

 

[Mjunior]

You say you care about the health of your pup, did the parents have their health tests done? Do you know their hip and elbow scores? Their hearts checked? their eyes checked? Thyroid and Kidney's checked? DNA runs done to confirm they don't carry a fairly signifigant list of genetic diseases? How about their parents? There's a REASON the good pure-bred breeders do those tests, and some of them are REALLY NASTY WAYS TO DIE, and the rest are extremely painfull ways to live.

Both the mother and the father are AKC registered with health certificates and my dog did come with the same health certificate that my wifes champion bloodline chow chow has. The breeder saw a demand for the mix. Mastiff and bullmastiff. I suppose what I am saying is, I had the choice of choosing any pup I wanted Champion bloodline Mastiff Bulldog whatever. Any pup. That being said, for me personally I wanted the mix. I think I do really understand that there are puppy mills and people trying to make a fast buck ect. Am I for that? No absolutely not. For me personally though this is what I wanted. He is exactly what you would expect to get mixing the two breeds. Kind and gentile with the family and protective. Whines when we leave the room and is a bit stubborn at times. He is recieving all his puppy training at class for the next 12 weeks and is JUST what I expected him to be. Larger than a bullmastiff and a bit more energetic than i would expect a EM to be. So for me its just perfect. I know there are lots of silly mixes out there and they IMHO look silly, but its just personal taste, its up to the buyer to make certain that the pup is healthy and from an honest breeder. I do love deeply both breeds and I do feel I am getting the best aspects from each. I defiantly do not agree with puppy mills and people breeding unhealthy dogs. My pup has had all his vet visits on time and has insurance and proper diet and training. There are going to be some who actually want a mix like myself. All the best.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Dude, your pup isn't even a six months yet, you have NO WAY of knowing how much protective or aggressive drive is going to show up.

And what heath certs, health certs is not the same as health testing.....Chows should have hips and elbows scored, xrays for patella luxation, eyes checked, and thyroid tested . Not the same list of health tests.....