EMs Are Worthless Guardians??

[EnchantedMountainRanch]

I had someone who claims to be a bandog expert , tell me, repeatedly, that an EM wouldn't protect a human for anything. That the breed is a example of failure to keep any working ability, and are now nothing more than lazy, wussy, feet warmers.

Thoughts? Besides the guy having his head stuck up his arse, that is...

 

[voidecho]

My pup right now would run away from anyone who yelled at him. I'm guessing when he gets older he'd probably bark at someone, but unless his temperment completely changes in the next year or so, he'll be a completely worthless guard dog. He snores all night so he won't hear an intruder and if an intruder has some treats, they'll be best buds. My guy currently is deathly afraid of a rubber chicken we have in the house, so if you want to rob my place when the dog is home, just squeak the chicken and he'll hide in his crate.

I'm getting a Benelli Supernova shortly because without a doubt, my EM is a better feet warmer than guard dog.

 

[Rugers-Kris]

I tend to ignore people who are ignorant myself but the way to know for sure that someone is full of shit is to hear them talk about an entire breed of dogs as a whole with a label. There is no doubt that there are EM's just like what he describe and at the rate that the BYB community is growing there will be plenty more to come (sadly) but, like all breeds, there are the Fantastic, the good, the poor and the horrible. I don't believe for a minute that ALL EM'd are like this and I never did but I just happen to own one that WILL protect (Without a doubt) without blinking and is a true guardian so they do exsist. Also, "working" ability depends on what you are hoping to work them at.

I find that the less people actually know, the more they try to appear to know. I would think that in order to have a true educated guess you would have to have some fairly extensive knowledge and hands on working with the breed and I think it is probably safe to assume, he does not considering his comments.

I say consider the source.

 

[tb44]

Lmao void. How old is Lincoln?

 

[Smart_Family]

My girl is 18 months. She acts like the biggest baby but someone comes to the door or on her property she goes into guard mode.

 

[voidecho]

Lmao void. How old is Lincoln?

Just turned 10 months and 140 lbs.

 

[VentiandMe]

Voidecho...I thought the same thing up until about 1 month ago...and things started to change for my EM (not saying your's will but you never know). My EM is becoming more protective and not afraid to show it either. I wouldn't recommend the "bandog expert" come through my door uninvited, it might not end well for him. LOL. AND snoring like a freight train or not my EM is up and at the stairs barking in a blink if he hears something at the door or outside that alerts him, even more so in the middle of the night. They do make good feet warmers as well to their family members.

 

[tb44]

At what age do mastiffs start showing their adult temperaments?

 

[Rugers-Kris]

Adult temperment varies with each dog, I think but as a rule I have heard people say somewhere between 7 - 12 months. Ruger started coming into his temperment when he was about 6 months.

 

[tb44]

Is it a sudden or gradual change Kris? That's because ruger is a gifted boy!

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

I'm inclined to agree.....though I wouldn't be a$$hole about it. How did you stand that?

In general most EM are "watered down" BUT there are a few individual exceptions. Ceasar, Ruger ( lol) Also the term "protect" is often confused and I think people get that mixed up with being a "alert" or "watch" dog. For a breed that will protect IMO a breed like the Fila, CAO, Gull Terr, etc come to mind. Breeds that WILL bite. A dog that looks for the owner is "watching", barking, growling, lunging, most dogs.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

I tend to ignore people who are ignorant myself but the way to know for sure that someone is full of shit is to hear them talk about an entire breed of dogs as a whole with a label. There is no doubt that there are EM's just like what he describe and at the rate that the BYB community is growing there will be plenty more to come (sadly) but, like all breeds, there are the Fantastic, the good, the poor and the horrible. I don't believe for a minute that ALL EM'd are like this and I never did but I just happen to own one that WILL protect (Without a doubt) without blinking and is a true guardian so they do exsist. Also, "working" ability depends on what you are hoping to work them at.

I find that the less people actually know, the more they try to appear to know. I would think that in order to have a true educated guess you would have to have some fairly extensive knowledge and hands on working with the breed and I think it is probably safe to assume, he does not considering his comments.

I say consider the source.

Yeap!

 

[Rugers-Kris]

Well, I guess it was gradual. Ruger was not an incredibly friendly puppy, although he would tolerate people without issue. He has never been friendly to anyone except for people he has known (And seen often) from the time I brought him home. At about 6 months, he started being very uncomfortable with people being too close and then he created his "strike zone" and he has been the same ever since. He does warn (thankfully) and he doesn't care about people one way or the other (outside of the zone) so I can take him anywhere and he still comes to work with me everyday.....He is very well behaved, confident and relaxed as long as his "zone" isn't bothered.

Is it a sudden or gradual change Kris? That's because ruger is a gifted boy!

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

I knew it, Ruger is a Fila in disguse

 

[Rugers-Kris]

He seems to think so. LOL

I knew it, Ruger is a Fila in disguse

 

[VentiandMe]

I don't think protect is synonymous with biting/attacking. I think the EM "protects" by simply acting as a deterrent. BIG DOG, BIG BARK/GROWLS as warning can all be considered protective IMO. Whether my EM will straight up attack a stranger walking through my door I don't know...I guess we'll have to see. Any takers? j/k

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Yeap, I'll "take" him home with me

 

[VentiandMe]

^^^ LMAO....that's probably what would happen!!!

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

You can come visit, or we can do a trade,

 

[CeeCee]

Where does temperament begin and end and learned behaviors start? My 13 mos old is going through his first adolescent stage where he is trying out a whole bunch of different behaviors and I am always showing him what is acceptable behavior and what isn't. I can see his behavior change based on what he has already learned.

Zeke and Venti are reading out of the same book...if you walk through my door, Zeke will let you know in no uncertain terms that this is his house and he is here to protect it.