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New to Neos - Needing some help

Jeri

Well-Known Member
Welcome to the world of stubborn Neos! My guy is very stubborn as well. He's never growled at me or my bf, but you have to make sure that if you give him a command to do or not do something, you follow through with it. And socialize socialize socialize. I don't think my guy will ever be all lovey with strangers like he is with us, but that's ok, I don't want him to be. He'll let anyone pet him when I take him places, but he is very aloof. He doesn't mind people coming in our house as long as they're invited, but I'd hate to be the poor soul trying to break in here!
 

JMaynard

Member
Jeri- Yes, very stubborn, and a cuddle bunny at the same time. I don't mind if he doesn't love strangers especially since it seems like there's more breakins these days. Your boy is gorgeous. I'll post up pics of mine sometime in the next few days.

ruthcatrin- I'll def. keep you guys updated. I love your profile picture, too sweet.
 

masteneo

Well-Known Member
Welcome to the world of stubborn Neos! My guy is very stubborn as well. He's never growled at me or my bf, but you have to make sure that if you give him a command to do or not do something, you follow through with it. And socialize socialize socialize. I don't think my guy will ever be all lovey with strangers like he is with us, but that's ok, I don't want him to be. He'll let anyone pet him when I take him places, but he is very aloof. He doesn't mind people coming in our house as long as they're invited, but I'd hate to be the poor soul trying to break in here!
You can never , and i mean NEVER , back down from a command you give this dog. I am not saying be mean or rough. But when you put your hand on that collar and the dog growls, give a firm no , and continue what you want to happen. Just a word to the wise. this dog will be living hell if you dont get very very serious about getting this fixed NOW! trying to fix it when hes a 135 plus pound ass will make you think about sending him to a shelter or my house.
 

JMaynard

Member
I've not backed down from him yet, and don't plan to lol. I'm taking everybody's advice, so if all goes as planned it'll be fixed in the next few weeks. Believe me, I don't want to be trying to fix it when he's a monster. If not though I guess he'll be visiting Texas!:eek:
 

JMaynard

Member
Sooo... my dear Easy boy, has a vet appt on Monday. I've been doing training with him, and he's doing great. He will sit, lay down, and roll on his side for me. I've been doing the focus with him and it's going great.((Thanks Deb)) I was wondering, when I take him to his appt. should I get a muzzle for him, so he doesn't try to bite the lady again?
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't muzzle him (unless they require it) just yet. Having said that I'm personally of the opinion that training a dog to accept a muzzle isn't a bad thing and that way he's prepared for later if the need ever arrises
 

bw68

Well-Known Member
Your mastiff sounds exactly like mine, he will growl and bark like crazy when he doesn't want to do something he's dead set on doing. Now he only does this at home and only to me, he is trying to be more dominate but as someone said earlier you need to be firm and not back down . He has never bit me and I sometimes I put my hand in and around his mouth to test him but he knows not to bite.
 

kbuchanan66

Well-Known Member
I don't have experience in Neos. However my 10 month old RottXMastiff used to do it when he was 4 months old until he was about 6 months old. Anytime he did not want to follow through on a command and I grabbed his collar he would thrash his head around(trying to ger my arm in his mouth) and growl. All I can really say is it was a Tempertantrum exactly as a child would do (apart from biting you).


Here is how I resolved my issue:

I built trust and a bond with my puppy. (playing, training, rewarding, walks)
I mentally exahusted him(Brain stimulation games, puzzle toys, quick training sessions through out the day to work on his look, sit, lay and stay)

When it came to the actual tempertantrum: I WOULD NEVER grab his collar (as I was really setting him up to fail as I knew he would try and bite) instead I would tell him to look (reward). Once I got his attention I would tell him to sit(reward) and once he did that I would put him into a laydown(reward) and tell him to stay. I then would go on with what I was doing or walk away for a bit. only coming back to release him from his stay(reward). All in all it was like a time out but in Puppy form. I still do it to this day when he talks back to me and barks at my lab when he has something he wants. I have not been bitten since and now I can grab his collar. It definately did not go smoothly the first dozen times and took anywhere from 1 min to 10 mins. You just cannot give up until he does as you ask of him.

I myself can always tell when he is not going to obey me he gets this look in his eyes "like really? Naaaah I got better things to do". The "look" command is a savior! and I myself always have treats on me and ready just in case he needs that incentive. He is after all still a puppy.

Hope this helps a little.
 

GM2009

Active Member
All the advice given is great so far.

Although for my input, I strongly believe affection is for good behavior only. By giving a command that he refuses then walking over to pet him (which to you I'm sure is your way of leading up to the collar grabbing, not as affection) is in a way reinforcing the behavior.

I agree you should accustom him to the muzzle anyway in case you ever need it.

Never not follow through with a command. At the same time, never set him up to fail.

Have you ever tried continuing with what you're doing without pause? Does he actually follow through with a bite or is it all show for his temper tantrum? If possible I would never even pause; I'd just ignore the behavior entirely and carry on.

Lastly, training is not just "tricks" or commands. I'd follow principles as well if you aren't already. Gaining trust/respect is through daily life with him.