Some dogs need harsh training?

[NYDDB]

This article belongs here. A Silent Killer - K9 Connection

Good article. I especially like this: "Many well meaning dog owners have also been sucked in, believing that, armed with cookies, hugs, and rays of sunshine they can transform their aggressive, unruly pooch into a well mannered pet."

I often wonder what happened to common sense?

 

[EverythingEnglishMastiff]

Unfortunately common sense isn't so common!

 

[Hector]

unfortunately common sense isn't so common!

yep!!!

 

[marke]

imo , the best time to correct a dog is as a puppy , a stern no a puppy finds "aversive" ....... i see all these folks talking about the lack of aversive corrections within a pack of wolves , though you will never see anyone claim there is none...... the reason there is little of it , is because it's taken care of when the members were pups ........... i think to miss that time frame makes for the potential for a problem dog ...... when i housebreak a pup , if i catch them peeing on the floor i yell no to try to stop him , pick them up , take them outside , if they go again i praise them , and i clean up the mess ....... the pup apparently associates the no and getting picked up as something they'd like to avoid , i've never had a problem housebreaking a pup , and my dogs are never fearful , timid or spooky ...........

 

[marke]

i've used a fly swatter with great success ........

 

[EverythingEnglishMastiff]

Ya my mom used wooden spoons, shoes, picture frames, fly swatters, hangers, w/e was closest. If you ask her I turned out alright... My therapist would tell you a diff story.

 

[season]

Good article. I especially like this: "Many well meaning dog owners have also been sucked in, believing that, armed with cookies, hugs, and rays of sunshine they can transform their aggressive, unruly pooch into a well mannered pet."I often wonder what happened to common sense?

Salute!

 

[Glasgowdogtrainer]

I've heard taking an iron bar to an unruly aggressive dog's head works really well as well. Anyone who thinks that non aversive training is about "cookies, hugs, and rays of sunshine" really needs to educate themselves.

 

[EverythingEnglishMastiff]

Those that preach it should teach it instead of making pointless troll-ish comments.

 

[season]

Those that preach it should teach it instead of making pointless troll-ish comments.

As I pointed out in another thread....at the 4:02 mark he make a correction...this surprised me (actually not really) coming from someone who says corrections are bad. That was a correction wether you'd like to admit it or not. I figured he wouldn't reply or comment on my comment in a previous post but I'd honestly like to hear what he has to say about that. Normally I could give a rip but from someone who is so quick to comment about how bad corrections are and anyone who makes them is wrong etc it seemed funny to me that same guy made a correction. [video=youtube;FCUhnSyNnxs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCUhnSyNnxs[/video]

 

[marke]

I've heard taking an iron bar to an unruly aggressive dog's head works really well as well. Anyone who thinks that non aversive training is about "cookies, hugs, and rays of sunshine" really needs to educate themselves.

i had a dog one time that had my garbage , he dragged into the living room , i went to get it from him , he snapped at me , i took a chair that was right there and tried to push him out of the way with it , he tried to get through it to get to me , i grabbed a piece of 1x3 i was using for molding , it was leaning on the wall right there , and i broke it over his head ....... it worked wonders ...... i loved that dog , and there was no nice way around that situation that would have been more correct , i actually believe "nice" would have been incorrect .....JMO

 

[season]

When u stop a dog from doing what it wants (in the vids case, leaving its down position before being released) you have just corrected your dog. Did u use an iron bar? No. Did u kick him or intimidate him and ruin your relationship? No. U simply corrected your dog. Praised it when it went back to its down position and I say, good job! That was a great use of a correction with great timing and your dog is still in one piece. Amazing.


"Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."
- Miyamoto Musashi

 

[Glasgowdogtrainer]

Again, season, giving a dog a repeated cue after she makes an error is not a correction, it's just helping her succeed. How we give info helps the dog or hurts the dog, it's all the same. In any case, thanks for sharing my video, helps get my numbers up so more people see the way I train.

 

[Glasgowdogtrainer]

I had another thought on this too, the rider I give at the start specifically says this isn't about handlng and cues, it's about Watson wanting to engage with me the whole time without food or toys on me, but I guess you were too busy looking for the "corrections" to actually realise the point of the video, but again, thanks for watching, it helps me a greaat deal.

 

[tmricciuto]

Potato....potatoe...let's be done.

 

[season]

I had another thought on this too, the rider I give at the start specifically says this isn't about handlng and cues, it's about Watson wanting to engage with me the whole time without food or toys on me, but I guess you were too busy looking for the "corrections" to actually realise the point of the video, but again, thanks for watching, it helps me a greaat deal.

I was watching because I like watching your vids. I've got a lot from them. You are good at what you do. So, you are welcome. But we can call it whatever we want. It was a correction. Call it a cue call it a cucumber. Makes no difference.


"Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."
- Miyamoto Musashi

 

[season]

In my word correction or cues or cucumbers help a dog succeed. Failure breeds success.


"Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."
- Miyamoto Musashi

 

[Glasgowdogtrainer]

Unfortunately your replies show a lack of understanding of operant conditioning. It's not that we get behaviour, it's how we get behaviour.

 

[season]

I don't use conditioner. I'm bald.


"Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."
- Miyamoto Musashi

 

[Hector]

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