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Very nice fila pup for sale

chuckorlando

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THE black mongrel. But she dont run behind me, her ass aint falling out from under her, she dont look like a hound, and you wont say it to her face.
 

aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
#2 Its a known, known, and historical fact that not all the Fila's Borghetto's Kennel were black or mixed (mongrels). To further drive this point, Borghetto had Fila's that would have passed an analysis for phenotype for CAFIB.
Addendum: Bentina do Borghetto which is in my pedigree passed that phenotype type for analysis.
Did anyone bother reading the file in the link provided? it is not CAFIB "propaganda" it is written by the president of the cbkc in the 80s. or the other one that is written by the ex non CAFIB breeder from canil borghetto that states that his dogs were mixed bred...almsot ALL the dogs in the U.S are contaminated with that blood...well I guess if you dont believe it from the man who bred your dog's ancesters then there really is no talking to you as ignorances bliss. To say that it is a waste of time so that no one else gets duped is just your way of saying that misery loves co. I see that this convo has made a diff and I know it is obvious to you and big. this is like you putting your arm to a flame and insisting it doesnt burn...I might not stop you from getting burned again but Ill be worse than you if I dont atleast try to stop others from attempting the same thing.
Quote from http://www.lostresnaranjos.com/pages/the_good_times.pdf
"REACTIONS OF SOME BREEDERS
In the Internet forum of the Club de amigos y criadores del Fila Brasileiro en Mexico I read some comments from Mexican fila friends that I respect very much because of their sincerity however we do not always agree. We start with some statements of Mr. Izquierdo (June 24, 2008)“It is without any doubt that the comments made by Mr. Carlos Eduardo, son of the founder of the Borghetto kennel and Fila Brasileiro breeder, leave a bitter taste in the mouth, not because of what he is saying but because of the way in which he makes fun or is trying to make fun about how his kennel INSCRUPULOUS and UPSETTING, used dogs of doubtful origin andcrossed them with the goal to get PROFIT. The ones of us who have used blood of the Borghetto kennel have seen already long time ago that there were problems with the colors that came out of some crossings with Borghetto specimens (concrete case is Orixa Ogum do Borghetto); we know very well that they produced dogs with black and tan marks (like the proper marks of the breeds Doberman and Rottweiler). We are not that stupid as you might believe; maybe because of respect for your breeding we did not manifest it in publicâ€


Betina Do Borghetto= Sire Orixa Ogum Do Borghetto X Dam Akira Do Borghetto

Other offspring of Orixa X Akira Do Borghetto.......... BUTIA BAGUERA DO BORGHETTO (pictured below). Definetly Cafib phenotype.......NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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tojvan

Well-Known Member
Quote from http://www.lostresnaranjos.com/pages/the_good_times.pdf
"REACTIONS OF SOME BREEDERS
In the Internet forum of the Club de amigos y criadores del Fila Brasileiro en Mexico I read some comments from Mexican fila friends that I respect very much because of their sincerity however we do not always agree. We start with some statements of Mr. Izquierdo (June 24, 2008)“It is without any doubt that the comments made by Mr. Carlos Eduardo, son of the founder of the Borghetto kennel and Fila Brasileiro breeder, leave a bitter taste in the mouth, not because of what he is saying but because of the way in which he makes fun or is trying to make fun about how his kennel INSCRUPULOUS and UPSETTING, used dogs of doubtful origin andcrossed them with the goal to get PROFIT. The ones of us who have used blood of the Borghetto kennel have seen already long time ago that there were problems with the colors that came out of some crossings with Borghetto specimens (concrete case is Orixa Ogum do Borghetto); we know very well that they produced dogs with black and tan marks (like the proper marks of the breeds Doberman and Rottweiler). We are not that stupid as you might believe; maybe because of respect for your breeding we did not manifest it in public”



Betina Do Borghetto= Sire Orixa Ogum Do Borghetto X Dam Akira Do Borghetto

Other offspring of Orixa X Akira Do Borghetto.......... BUTIA BAGUERA DO BORGHETTO (pictured below). Definetly Cafib phenotype.......NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Remind me not to f*ck with you; you are like the sherlocks Holmes of the fila world, never ceases to amaze me.
 

mountainfila

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I can promise your mountainfila that this is not Amy, who happens to be a very nice and very knowledgeable individual, not saying that OC-fila is not just want to clear this up.

I thought it was her do to the fact she has an ad on another fila forum with almost the same identical pedigree posted and the same shit that oc-fila is posting almost verbatim, and yes i know who she is, pretty much if you have been in filas for any length of time i know them or know of them and have talked to alot of them. I think im pretty much one of thee only oldtimers from the good ol days still kickin around, i miss the old days when people werent afraid to talk about and show pics of their filas for fear of the Juans of the world telling them they got a mix breed. Any way thanks for the heads up:)
 

Tubarao'smom

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I thought it was her do to the fact she has an ad on another fila forum with almost the same identical pedigree posted and the same shit that oc-fila is posting almost verbatim, and yes i know who she is, pretty much if you have been in filas for any length of time i know them or know of them and have talked to alot of them. I think im pretty much one of thee only oldtimers from the good ol days still kickin around, i miss the old days when people werent afraid to talk about and show pics of their filas for fear of the Juans of the world telling them they got a mix breed. Any way thanks for the heads up:)

The dam from that litter is from Amy but oc-fila is not Amy. I am neither here nor there, I enjoy fila and enjoy chatting with everyone and sharing pictures etc. I have only been around a short time but I am well aware of the tensions in the breed. I try to stay far away from it lol, it's not my thing :) I have always liked animals more than people anyway :p
 

mountainfila

Well-Known Member
Remind me not to f*ck with you; you are like the sherlocks Holmes of the fila world, never ceases to amaze me.

Oh its no secret if you know bloodlines lol but most of the people can be brainwashed when you preach one is fake and one is real lol. Ace knows bloodlines, i know bloodlines but the average joe does not know bloodlines.
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
I dont know bloodlines. But I have read enough old writings and yahoo chats and have an odd ability to reason. Logic kills everything from political views to breed theories. In my experience when any group has an agenda, and repeatedly will do or say anything to make it seem fact, they are full of shit. It aint all peaches and creme
 

mountainfila

Well-Known Member
I dont know bloodlines. But I have read enough old writings and yahoo chats and have an odd ability to reason. Logic kills everything from political views to breed theories. In my experience when any group has an agenda, and repeatedly will do or say anything to make it seem fact, they are full of shit. It aint all peaches and creme

Well we all know your no average joe Chuck hahahahahaha
 

OC-Fila

Member


“There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.â€

I have the CBKC documents that show this Betina do Borghetto with the registered number # RG/RSA/94/04701 out of Africano Ticao and Baronesa Porcina. So, it is a different Betina do Borghetto!!!

Thats i never post anything on these forums. But I just had to correct, and put to rest this false allegation from Aceoutdoor.




Quote from http://www.lostresnaranjos.com/pages/the_good_times.pdf
"REACTIONS OF SOME BREEDERS
In the Internet forum of the Club de amigos y criadores del Fila Brasileiro en Mexico I read some comments from Mexican fila friends that I respect very much because of their sincerity however we do not always agree. We start with some statements of Mr. Izquierdo (June 24, 2008)“It is without any doubt that the comments made by Mr. Carlos Eduardo, son of the founder of the Borghetto kennel and Fila Brasileiro breeder, leave a bitter taste in the mouth, not because of what he is saying but because of the way in which he makes fun or is trying to make fun about how his kennel INSCRUPULOUS and UPSETTING, used dogs of doubtful origin andcrossed them with the goal to get PROFIT. The ones of us who have used blood of the Borghetto kennel have seen already long time ago that there were problems with the colors that came out of some crossings with Borghetto specimens (concrete case is Orixa Ogum do Borghetto); we know very well that they produced dogs with black and tan marks (like the proper marks of the breeds Doberman and Rottweiler). We are not that stupid as you might believe; maybe because of respect for your breeding we did not manifest it in publicâ€


Betina Do Borghetto= Sire Orixa Ogum Do Borghetto X Dam Akira Do Borghetto

Other offspring of Orixa X Akira Do Borghetto.......... BUTIA BAGUERA DO BORGHETTO (pictured below). Definetly Cafib phenotype.......NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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aceoutdoor

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First of I contacted a friend today down south and verified that was the actual lineage.

Second what you are saying is one generation off, its the same blood. Do you not get the point here. Juan, the breeder of one of the parents said its corrupt, nearly everyone says its corrupt. They also said pedigrees were falsified time and time again.

Wake up man, smell the coffee.
 
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aceoutdoor

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I don't know a single Cafibber that would be caught dead with Borghetto blood in their pedigree. Yet the biggest miller around, one you mentioned has a kennel full of that blood. What does that tell you? Not to meantion not only was that line accused of mass pedigree falsification, it was inbred/linebred like crazy. Open your eyes.
 
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mountainfila

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well i think you should post the dogs ped and compare, i have noticed that names are off by a letter or two in some of the peds i have looked at but they still go back to the same parents, how does that happen?? And yes like you said alot of ************* to try an hide what shouldnt be in their pure fila background. I find it also comical that these cafib dogs have cbkc papers:dunno::bananadevil:
 

OC-Fila

Member
"You contacted a friend down south, who verified the actual lineage." Try using that argument to convince a jury.

Nearly everyone say's its corrupt. Really? Then provide all the names who make up the "nearly most" group. Then provide the minority opinion names.

Juan says its corrupt? Why are you so untruthful? I know Juan. And I also know, your no friend of his either. Let me tell you something. If there is anything that is corrupt its your dishonesty. Your not part of CAFIB in anyway. Nor do you promote its standard and practices. You were banned from one Fila forum for your dishonesty. I guess you didn't learn your lesson.

Sorry for the derail here on this thread. Aceoutdoor has a long history of trolling on these types of boards, for those who don't know. He has been banned already from a FB Fila group.
And has an agenda to sell his own mixed Americano Fila. But im a busy person and will not replying to any more comments or questions posted here. Any further questions about our puppies for sale can contact here on the pm. Or find my post under Kennels.


First of I contacted a friend today down south and verified that was the actual lineage.

Second what you are saying is one generation off, its the same blood. Do you not get the point here. Juan, the breeder of one of the parents said its corrupt, nearly everyone says its corrupt. They also said pedigrees were falsified time and time again.

Wake up man, smell the coffee.