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Where did you get your dog?

lovemygypsy

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I also wanted to point out that most of the dogs that we've had in our family are from oops litters or backyard bred dogs when I was growing up. There's a place for them. I believe that there is a place for responsibly bred dogs that can do what they were bred to do too.
 

Nik

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I agree that nobody should judge you based on where you got your puppy. There are good people out there that can be considered byb based on my experience. There are bad ones too but not all of them are that.

Cerberus who is no longer with us was from a good breeder. He was a wonderful dog and we miss him terribly since he passed but we had him for many happy years.

Diesel was from an oops litter. The family had a 9 month old DDB and were waiting to fix it but it got out with the neighbor mutt (they think the neighbor dog was part pit but they have no idea what it actually was). The family he came from had no interest in caring for puppies and gave them away too soon. They didn't want money. They weren't going to keep those puppies around for anything and didn't particularly care where they went. They just wanted them gone. I got one of the last two puppies and if my husband would have allowed it I would have taken both just to be sure they were in good homes and well cared for. I had experience caring for new borns and knew what I was in for with a too young puppy. We adore Diesel. He has allergies but otherwise is a very healthy dog.

Kahlua was found through a work friend whose mom wanted one litter with her dogs. The dogs were kept in the family or given to family friends only. She would be considered a BYB I guess. But, her dogs are all well cared for. They live in the home with her surrounded by grand children. They feed good high quality food, have regular vet visits and do health checks. Even though Kahlua isn't purebred she knows exactly what lines she comes from and has all the parent/grandparent papers. And she most definitely wasn't in it to make money because most of her puppies she gives to family free and to family friends she would only take a small amount not even enough to cover what the shots, testing, deworming, dew claw removal and tail docking of the puppy cost. She also keeps in contact via text so she can see how the puppies are doing. We adore Kahlua and so far she has been perfectly healthy and a wonderful dog with a great temperament. Though she is looking to be much smaller than we expected given her lineage. Still despite being not purebred and a byb she was every bit as responsible as the reputable breeder I got Cerberus from. She talked to us in depth when we saw the puppies and helped us pick one whose personality matched what we needed and were looking for. Kahlua is exactly what we were looking for in a personality and has been the perfect fit for our home. So yes byb can work out. It just depends.
 

Boxergirl

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I have three dogs right now. One is from a responsible breeder with lines that have competed in Westminster. One is from a hobby breeder that bred for obedience, therapy work, and agility. Ella, my EM, was a foster fail. We have a pretty good idea where she came from and she is definitely from a back yard breeder. My first two boxers were both from responsible show breeders. I also spent time as a breed rescue worker and adopted several dogs myself.

My first love is boxers. They are a breed rampant with health issues. Cancer, dilated cardiomyopathy, subaortic stenosis, degenerative myelopathy, just to name a few. Many of these are genetic conditions that can be tested for. Although there is no 100% guarantee, you're far less likely to have a dog with certain genetic health issues if the parents and grandparents have been tested.

I prefer to put my money into a breeder that is doing their best to maintain healthy lines free of genetic conditions, but I also think that all dogs deserve a home. I do NOT agree with paying exorbitant prices for back yard bred dogs. I don't think a profit should be made on an oops litter. I think that a reasonable fee for a byb dog is fine. I also strongly disagree with anyone breeding their dog once without doing any health testing just to "continue the line." Everyone thinks their dog is special. I don't think that's a good enough reason to breed. In fact, I think it's very irresponsible.

My definition of a responsible breeder is one that does all pertinent health testing and breeds dogs that complement each other to try to produce a puppy that doesn't have the weaknesses of the parents. I want my breeder to do something with their dogs. It doesn't have to be showing. It can be working, obedience, agility, therapy, service, etc. I want my breeder to produce a litter because they're ready to try to produce the perfect representative of their breed to add to their own lines. Not because they need to make some money.
 

Hiraeth

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First of all, shaming someone for getting a dog from a backyard breeder is inappropriate. Everyone starts somewhere, and most of us, when we started, didn't know the difference between good or bad breeders. Unless someone is lucky enough to have a friend who is immersed in the dog world, their first dog will likely be from a byb.

I think there are levels of 'ethics' in breeding. Puppy mill - unethical. Backyard breeder who does no health testing, doesn't care where their puppies end up, don't follow up on their puppies to make sure they aren't producing dogs with faults - unethical. Hobby breeder who knows a bit about the breed, maybe does some but not all health tests, cares about their puppies and follows up on them - not 100% ethical, but this is where many breeders fall and I'm not willing to call them 'bad' breeders, but they aren't doing everything they can. And then there are ethical breeders - all health tests, right of first refusal, health guarantee, knows the lines of their dogs, chooses a sire/dam who complements their dog well, screens buyers, usually titles their dogs, etc.

DCM is a disease that can be tested for. So OP, I have to question whether the breeder of your first dog did this testing on their lines. While DCM can remain hidden for generations, it's pretty rare for a dog to have DCM from lines that are fully tested, both breeding and non-breeding dogs. Many breeders *say* that their dogs are 'health tested', but what that actually means is that a vet has looked at the dog and said 'this dog is healthy'. REAL health testing comes with OFA numbers that you can look up on the OFA website to verify the test results. OFA paperwork can be (and is frequently) faked, so those numbers and looking them up on the website are really important.

The way I look at breeding (and I wish more people did) is this - you're paying for the NEXT litter that breeder is going to produce. If you don't feel comfortable with that breeder producing another litter because this litter is in bad shape or not being cared for, you're only paying for MORE puppies to suffer.

I want to pay breeders to produce more litters who are active in the breed, producing good, healthy, moderate dogs who are being titled (in whatever), who tracks their lines, who will always take the puppy back if something happens, who cares what happens to the dogs they produce, etc. Buying a dog from a healthy line is in no way a guarantee of health, but it's the next best thing you're going to get when you're dealing with living animals.

In Danes, that type of puppy comes with a pretty large price tag. $1.5-3K is average. I understand that many people cannot afford that type of financial commitment, and that rescues won't adopt to many people for very asinine reasons, which is why I'm not willing to condemn the hobby breeders out there who are mostly doing the right things and who are providing companions for the absolutely massive companion puppy market. There's no way all of the really amazing breeders can keep up with demand, so there needs to be a person between the puppy mills and reputable breeders who are doing it mostly okay. And to me, that's where it sounds like you got your dog, and I see nothing wrong with that.
 
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MastiffMillie

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I had an alert that some new puppies were for sale (was registered while looking in September). I'm not looking but like to have a browse to see what's available, prices etc. This ad broke my heart. Look at the picture closely. I want to go and pay for her, pick her up and shower her with love [emoji173]️ [emoji22]
http://www.pets4homes.co.uk/classifieds/1500308-female-dog-de-bordeaux-slough.html
Apologies if I've broken any forum rules posting the link?


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