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Duke Loves raw...

Duke

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So I've been going back and forth trying to decide what to feed Duke. I've been comparing food and cost and my budget and nothing lined up right. All the good stuff was super pricey and I didn't feel right feeding him mediocre food...I hear about raw feeding and thought I'd give it a try... My wife and I have a bad habit of buying and cooking too much meat every night so long story short I had some extra sirloin and an extra chicken thigh..he inhaled both....lots of enthusiasm...absolutely loved it. I know that canes are supposed to be sensitive to chicken but he's had no problems so far. What else should I buy him? Livers? What about ribs?
 

ruthcatrin

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He'll need both bone and organ, ideally more than liver if you can find other organs (heart counts as muscle meat not organ fyi).

The ideal ratio: figure his estimated adult weight, figure out what 3% of that is. That figure is his starting daily intake of food in lbs or kgs depending on what you measure in. You'll adjust depending on his needs, its not unisual for pups to need quite a bit more than that, but start there. Of his daily intake: approx 80% should be muscle meat, 10% bone, and 10% organmeat. Don't worry if you're not exact, you need to adjust by what works for the dog.

Meat can be anything you can get that doesn't cause him issues (note:most poultry bought commercially these days is enhanced with 'broth' this ups the salt content by alot which can mess with his system, so be carefull with it). Bone SHOULD NOT include weight baring bones from large animals like cows (there are exceptions, start with not for now), but bone can include pork and beef ribs, pork/poultry necks, backs, legs etc where most of the mass is bone. Organ should include liver, and any other organ meat you can get your hands on.

I happen to think feeding raw is one of the best things you can do for your dog. If you don't have a huge feeezer you're going to want one, get used to buying in bulk!
 

angelbears

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WHOA! Slow down....Raw is great but in the beginning you have to go very slow. One protein at a time. Don't be shocked if he has cannon butt. Choose one protein and keep him on it for at least 2 to 4 weeks. NEVER give any kind of cooked bones. Lots of info on the boards, just do a search. Lot of good people here that will try to answer any questions you may have.

Good luck
 

musicdeb

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Ditto to what Ruth and angelbears said. I've been feeding raw for almost 4 months and it's the best decision I've made for Titan.
 

Duke

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thanks for the input. i used to have a lab and i would feed him raw as well. mainly chicken quarters and livers and hearts.. I think with duke i'll do the same but with more beef. he does really well with chicken...no problems what so ever. thanfully we have lots of independent meat distributors around so i can get a good deal on bulk.
 

Kelly

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Yeah I have to say...raw is amazing. With Tess, it's been good, she's lost weight and she looks healthy.

But Jovo, my 13+ year old lab, wow! He's like a puppy again. Healthy weight, energetic, his coat just shines and is so thick and healthy looking. Only the grey on his face betrays his age these days. He keeps up with me no problem when im running.
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
Many dogs who have issues with a protein, i.e chicken can't handle it in kibble but are fine with it in raw or cooked form.
 

Duke

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hes doing well on it. I've been giving him hearts and livers as well. He gobbles up the hearts and liver mix. I realize heart is a muscle not an organ which is why I add the liver. HOw much should I be giving him? as in lbs? hes 3 months old. I try to feed him 3 times a day but its hard to get home during lunch to feed him at noon.
 
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musicdeb

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hes doing well on it. I've been giving him hearts and livers as well. He gobbles up the hearts and liver mix. I realize heart is a muscle not an organ which is why I add the liver. HOw much should I be giving him? as in lbs? hes 3 months old. I try to feed him 3 times a day but its hard to get home during lunch to feed him at noon.
To feed raw, you should feed 2-3% of their expected body weight. Once you figure that out, then do 80/10/10. 80% of food should be meat, 10% of food should be raw meaty bone, and 10% of food should be organs.

For Titan, he gets 3lbs (98 ozs) (Titan weighs 110lbs) of food per day. He gets 80% of 98 ozs of meat, 10% of 98ozs of raw meaty bone, and 10% of 98ozs of organs.

Hope that helps...
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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I agree with everyone in regards to raw being the best thing. I started with kibble went to raw and great ( after a week or so of diarreah) results. If you can buy the meat in bulk it really is cost effective in the long run. Plus both my boys do great on it.
 

ruthcatrin

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Don't be afraid to up the amount fed if you need to. Start at the 2-3%, but if he gets skinny don't be afraid to up it.
 

Duke

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I went to costco today to get duke some drum sticks and I wandered over to the dog food section...I found that Kirklands makes a grain free salmon meal and sweet potato food..anyone heard of it? any good? my goal is to keep duke on raw but my wife is putting up a little bit of a fight.
 

JLeighL

Active Member
Intestinal wise....how are everyone's dogs doing on raw?! I have been thinking about doing this and doing some research but just wondering how the first week or so goes. As well as how easy of a switch is it for the dog himself?!
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
Intestinal wise....how are everyone's dogs doing on raw?! I have been thinking about doing this and doing some research but just wondering how the first week or so goes. As well as how easy of a switch is it for the dog himself?!
You want to start really slow, usually with chicken quarters until their body adjusts to the raw. I can't wait to do raw myself when we move at the end of the year.
 

JLeighL

Active Member
Do they consume the bone and all?!?! i've always heard that chicken bones are not good for dogs b/c they can splinter and get caught in their throat...is that just cooked chicken bones?!? I prob need to rule out some myths before i trust myself doing this! lol
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
Do they consume the bone and all?!?! i've always heard that chicken bones are not good for dogs b/c they can splinter and get caught in their throat...is that just cooked chicken bones?!? I prob need to rule out some myths before i trust myself doing this! lol
Cooked chicken bones can splinter, raw bones are fine.
 

angelbears

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I won't lie to you -- sometimes the transition can be iffy; the best case scenario is mild changes in the poop, worst case scenario is diarrhea. Almost always, it is human error that causes the worst case scenarios. It is important to stay with one protein; many start with chicken, especially because it seems to have the softest bones. It takes the dog's stomach acids a while to learn to digest bones, so don't be surprised when you see some fragments in the poop.

Stay on the chicken for 2 to 4 weeks, starting with boney pieces, such as the backs. Consider removing the skin and for the first week or so until you see how your dog handles the meat and bones. Then slowly introduce in the skin and fat. After 4 weeks, you can start to slowly introduce other proteins (one at a time, every couple of weeks). At about 8 weeks, start to introduce organs, tiny pieces at a time.

Lots of really good information on this forum. Just do some reading and you'll be off to a good start.

One of the main reasons we switched our dogs to raw was that our male mastiff was having skin issues. Out of frustration following almost 2 years of vet care that didn't work, we tried raw. Cane was a picky eater anyway, and the first week on raw was a little touch-and-go; he wanted everything sauteed first in butter. Now, he can't wait to get his meals (no more butter needed), as long as it's not fish. :D He is quite the robust eater now and his poop is sooo much better than it was on kibble.

While you may have some GI problems with your dog in the beginning, you'll probably soon find the reward to be ten fold. Even with three dogs, we rarely have any kind of GI upset at our house.
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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Yeap, these good folks here helped me out when I started Thor back raw, it was a bit frustrating for both of us. Although it was probably worse on his end, nothing worse than the gurgles.
 

JLeighL

Active Member
How much is all of this cost wise? i know some say that the cost would be better with raw in the end. and how do you deal with diarrhea if no one is home to let them out?!?! just wondering lol. Scared of this happening...