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Hector's counter conditioning/ LAT - other dogs

Hector

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There was a break in the weather and many people including myself thought it was a great time to walk their dogs. I packed some spam and planned to do some counter conditioning if we happened to see any dogs. I didn't like his reaction after the corrections last week. The reactions were nervous, sort of cowered any time he saw another dog and I don't like that. I don't want him to be anxious. I want him to be calm, aloof, and/or acknowledge them, but continue to mind his own business. We never did do any LAT (look at that training), but he picked it up like a natural. I made sure to give lots of food and praise. I'm sorry the video is really shaky. I should have used my chest mount, but I wanted to use my mini tripod. In the beginning of the video, take note of the truck driving by. Those are the 3 unleashed dogs that we will be following and will be getting into a scuffle later on. 1:05 dogs are released and he spots them. 1:30 looks at dogs and turns to me. 3:23 looks at dogs 2x and looks back at me. We continue to follow them at a distance. 3:36 continues to look. 4:25 the little dogs are running around fast. 4:27 another look. 4:28 offers eye contact. At this time the dogs are being petted by a random couple (they appear again near the end of the video). His body language is still very good. 5:12 eyes on the people and the dogs. 5:18 offers more eye contact and at 5:31 he is starts to struggle so we end the stalking and turn around to leave. 6:10 there is another dog on leash being walked. 6:29 - 6:50 the loose dogs are coming at us and the old man yells "they are friendly" and this is where the scuffle happens. Hector is still pretty calm and I don't remember telling him "no" until I replayed the video and he actually listened. I must gotten distracted by the next dog he goes nose to nose with because I didn't say anything. 7:32 the loose dogs are being loaded. At 7:40 the leash is tight and he is distracted, so I caught myself doing that so I loosen the leash before I call him again. 7:56 the couple walks by and I'm out of spam. We go on walking some more. I see more dogs on the trail. I wanted to see how his reaction after the scuffle. 10:23 collie walks by. 11:37 shepherd walks by. He did very well. It's too bad I ran out of food. [video=youtube;moKjPDYqD6E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moKjPDYqD6E[/video]
 

season

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I like the fact that u aren't settling for nervous/anxious behavior. You are fixing it. Nice work!!! Merry Xmas!


Carpe Diem
 

al capone

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I don't know much about dogs but I saw Hector no nervous or not too anxious


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al capone

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Hector was brave when the other dog got too close. I didn't see him afraid,he was ready to fight. Maybe there is something I didn't see.
To me he did a very good job,you did too. Congrats


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Hector

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Hector was brave when the other dog got too close. I didn't see him afraid,he was ready to fight. Maybe there is something I didn't see.To me he did a very good job,you did too. CongratsSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Thank you AC. He is not afraid of other dogs. In fact he likes to dominate them or even attack them sometimes. He was afraid of a correction and he acted very nervous when he would see a dog. He associated the air spray noise with dogs. That's why I want to do this training is to let him know it's okay to look and you will be rewarded for eye contact, disengaging, or minding your own business. I don't have his anxious/nervous reaction on video. Maybe if I had not yelled the second time, he would not have reacted? I saw he reacted the same time I yelled. Oh well stupid owner anyway.
 

DennasMom

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I think you did AWESOME, and Hector, too. The dummy with the "my dogs are friendly" response might (maybe) actually call them back on the FIRST request next time. Good thing they were friendly and non-confrontational, and willing to walk away from Hector when he decided to scuffle with the one little one... I think that ended quite well, actually... from what I could see.
 

Hector

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I think you did AWESOME, and Hector, too. The dummy with the "my dogs are friendly" response might (maybe) actually call them back on the FIRST request next time. Good thing they were friendly and non-confrontational, and willing to walk away from Hector when he decided to scuffle with the one little one... I think that ended quite well, actually... from what I could see.
I already knew the dogs weren't going to recall, but in case they might have. I mean you never know unless you tried. Yes, they were actually friendly, but they chased us down and confronted my asshole of a dog. The funny part was that the rott made a nasty face and backed the hell off of the whole thing after Hector got in it with the little one. The other funny part was that first one high tailed out of there and sounded the retreat. The whole thing was pretty wild and comical. I was really glad none of the dogs got hurt. I also thought things ended well and I'm thinking Hector may not be all that reactive. Next time, I will try to boot them so Hector doesn't have to do anything. I can handle one, but three...and all I could think of at the time was to hang on to my dog no matter what.
 

al capone

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I agree with DennasMom,you both did very well because the problem may have been the three dogs against you and Hector,not funny at all. That is the problem with people letting loose their dogs,you never know what your dogs are going to do loosen.
 

Hector

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I agree with DennasMom,you both did very well because the problem may have been the three dogs against you and Hector,not funny at all. That is the problem with people letting loose their dogs,you never know what your dogs are going to do loosen.
I've been thinking about Hector's reaction to the second dog. Maybe it wasn't because Hector wanted to start a fight, but maybe because the dog got close to me and he didn't like that.
 

al capone

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I've been thinking about Hector's reaction to the second dog. Maybe it wasn't because Hector wanted to start a fight, but maybe because the dog got close to me and he didn't like that.

Yeah,I agree. It's the same situation AC and me with the Chow,when he saw the Chow coming,AC moved behind me and attacked the Chow. And saw the floor hahahaha when AC pulled.
 

Hector

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This is our 3rd time out looking for dogs to work around. Before this walk yesterday, we seen another dog across the street and he heeled nicely, but he was showing avoidanceI praised him a lot and it seemed to help. It's funny when you try really hard to find other dogs and you can't even find one! Then when you find one to work around, it's not even in a place you expected it to be lol. I should have waited and let him make the choice, but I quickly corrected because the dog surprised me and barked a lot. [video=youtube;BnrGhp-GgNU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnrGhp-GgNU[/video]
 

Hector

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Fourth time on dogs. I think I am done with this work, but I still want to see if we can walk past dogs 10 ft from us without any incident. If we can, then I'm going to stop. The other day we went in the pet store and he ignored a reactive pug on the grooming table.

If you weren't there, you wouldn't know there was a family at the park with a man walking the dog and a bunch of kids. One of the kids were on a scooter and Hector has the same reaction to kids on scooters as well as people on skateboards so at 3:56 when he reacts, he's reacting to the scooter. The scooter comes into the picture at 1:58.

00:08 look00:17 look00:31 look01:10 look01:30 look02:30 dog is by the tree to the right of play area02:48 look03:22 body is getting tense, should have ended here03:56 unsure of what he's looking at, but given the reaction at 04:04 I'm sure he's reacting to the kid on scooter.
 

Hector

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Today was a super nice and chilly day for a walk!! Lots of people out walking their dogs. There was an off leash dog that got out before us and hit the trail. I got my mini air can out in case any dog or even my own dog wants to pull something stupid. At 20 secs Hector sees dogs up front. I had already spotted them way before he did. The owners were smart enough to leash their lab and the other lady smart enough to pick up her reactive chi. I'm thinking, nice. We go off of the trail so they can pass. I brought food hoping to work on recall, not on dogs lol. I mean how can I not reward that head whip! The lady holding the chi was pretty embarrassed lol.

Sadly, 5 minutes into our walk he started to limp pretty badly so I decided to head home. We spotted another dog on the way back and again, he disengaged with the other dog and came right to me. On top of our successes, we drove by a man on a board on the bridge and he didn't even care!! I think the skateboard reactivity in the car has been eliminated, but outside on leash is a work in progress. Sorry, my zipper was making a lot of noise. [video=youtube;w2XTnsGB4b0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2XTnsGB4b0[/video]
 

7121548

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Hector is doing wonderfully! It seems like you're able to get his attention reliably, even around his triggers. Sorry to hear about his limping. I hope he's better!
 

Hector

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Hector is doing wonderfully! It seems like you're able to get his attention reliably, even around his triggers. Sorry to hear about his limping. I hope he's better!
Thank you! I am very proud of him. It was all him. He's been a bit limpy lately. It comes and goes. I think he's hitting the stairs too hard.
 

karennj

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Funny how his body changed at the end of the video with the kids right before he reacted. I wonder if he would have disengaged if you called him back before he reacted. Does he have issues with kids? Is that why you were working in that area or was it the scooter you were working around?
 

Hector

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Funny how his body changed at the end of the video with the kids right before he reacted. I wonder if he would have disengaged if you called him back before he reacted. Does he have issues with kids? Is that why you were working in that area or was it the scooter you were working around?
We don't work on anything specific as we can't because nothing is set up. We go about on our walks and when I see opportunities, I will use them to train. I was actually looking for dogs. He does not have reactive issues with kids. He has issues with kids on scooters and people on skateboards. That frozen body tells me I was too late. I could have given him some leash pressure or a command to redirect him, but I was trying to do things more BAT style which I find extremely hard in real life situations. I can't see how it is possible to do pure BAT in real life situations. I should have stopped at the one before and went on our way or I could have used my pet convincer to snap him out of it and then bring his drive back up once he starts viewing the scooter differently instead of excited, frantic behaviors.