Looking for ANY studies on dog/pack behavior

[goatnipples2002]

I recently rescued a 10mo male CC and we already had a 1.5yr CC. I'm just looking for ANY info about adding a second dog. Things like confidence, pack order, teaching each other, how to tell alpha/omega, female changes after litter.

 

[Boxergirl]

Are you having specific issues that you want help with? That might be easier so we can pinpoint things that would be the most helpful. What I'd strongly suggest is getting a qualified professional in your home to evaluate your situation. If you tell us your location we can most likely help you find someone in your area.

May I ask why the concern of female behavior changes after a litter? I try not to assume, but I do recall that you were interested in breeding several months ago.

 

[karennj]

I would be much more concerned with the behavior from the male after a breeding. Are you thinking of breeding the 2 CC?

 

[DennasMom]

I believe the link I see most often is on the Leerburg site...
Leerburg | Introducing a New Dog into a Home with Other Dogs

 

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Leerburg | The Groundwork to Establishing Pack Structure with Adult Dogs


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Leerburg | The Ground Work to Becoming Your Puppy's Pack Leader


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[goatnipples2002]

I may breed in the future maybe, but not til im financially ready and hes atleast 2 to have hips/joints tested. I only ask about post-litter temperament cause I read females get more protective/weary. It seems like my female has taken the lower position in the pack because she wont eat until my male has. She wont walk on a coupler with him. She could easily keep up but chooses to fight back and pull back. At that point I put her in the house and walk him alone. I'm not sure why she acting like this but I can only assume its cause shes either intimidated, scared or just accepts her place in the pack. I've read ALL the Leerburg and Cesar articles and if u guys feel they are accurate I will follow them to the tee.

We have owned Tig (male) for exactly 1 week. He used to bark at everything. After some socializing and being exposed to various stressors. He can now lay down on a street corner in front of a bar with cars driving by and not growl. Anytime we walk and he growls I stop immediately and make him lay down so he can see there is no threat I also say "there's no threat Tig" and depending on how strong the stressor I might pet him to calm him down. He seems to be getting the proper walking distance too but I just ordered a 12" leash cause the 24" was too long imo. I tried off leash walking last night and he did great. On our 3 mile loop he did about 1-1.25 miles off leash. When I told him to "slow down" he did so. I was pretty impressed considering how bad he was not too long ago.

In the house he follows me around everywhere. He usually sleeps close to me. He growls if anybody walks up on him while hes eating, but I can move his bowl around and no growls. As I'm typing this he came and layed at my feet. No marking in the house as of yet. No chewing yet. He's not allowed on any beds.

When i put food out for Tig and Hazel (female) I use seperate bowls and different parts of the kitchen. She wont eat until he is done. At 1st I let them be and I noticed Hazel was getting punked by Tig. I didnt like that and I was hoping she would be the strong female I've known and stand up to him.....never happened. So I started to feed him and then her. If I do that she eats. I feed him and then when hes done I tell him to lay in the livingroom or put him outside. I'm not sure if hes negatively imposing himself or its just a pack order process.

When it comes to my kids its better but not perfect yet. I have 3 kids 10, 3, 2. The younger kids (the babies) spend the most time with him, but my oldest doesnt get any growls anymore. Tig used to growl when the kids would walk by or even be 4ft away from him. Now they can get right next to him and as long as they dont touch him he wont growl, but as soon as they touch him...grrrrr. I have my kids feed him hotdog pieces and that seems to slowly chip away at his guard. The previous owner said he growled at the touch of kids sense he was a baby.

As I type this I realize we have alot of progress and I shouldnt be bitchin, but i'm impatient lol.

My questions:
1. Should I let them figure out food or intervene?
2. Why does my female act weird on walks when coupled?
3. How long to establish pack order?
4. Fastest way to get him to stop growling at my kids?

 

[karennj]

Feed them separately. There is no reason to have stress around feeding time. Dogs should be able to eat in peace and if they can't you can run into guarding issues. Imagine if your trying to eat your diner and another person keeps hovering around you waiting to swoop in and steal it or pushes you out. My dogs eat in different rooms

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[goatnipples2002]

Will do.

 

[goatnipples2002]

Update 2 weeks ago I was walking them and he got out of the collar and ran away. Searched for him for 5 hours nothing. No noises in the neighborhood either. Then he returned the next morning on his own. That same day he bit my foot for moving his food bowl with my foot. I whooped his ass. No probs with food since then. Lady was walking by and he put his arm thru my screen trying to get at her. He got his ass whooped. No probs since then. We can walk past ppl on our walks and ppl can walk pst our house and he might wimper or a slight growl but after that he calms down and is just alert. He still isnt good around other dogs but we now go another route on our walk that has a ton of dogs. He is alert to them and breathes deep around them but he easily corrected and we move on. He tries to mark every pole or sign so i limit his sniffing and marking. Prong collar is the shiz. This unruly dude has calmed down a ton and is finally playing with Hazel alot more. Some days he growls at my kids like an old man and others he doesnt care. Hes starting to realize he doesnt run my house like his previous owners. Hes being stubborn on recall but some smoked bacon will solve that real quick lol. in a month or so i assume he will be part of the pack.

If a dog runs away and comes home on their own does that mean anything?

 

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Update 2 weeks ago I was walking them and he got out of the collar and ran away. Searched for him for 5 hours nothing. No noises in the neighborhood either. Then he returned the next morning on his own. That same day he bit my foot for moving his food bowl with my foot. I whooped his ass. No probs with food since then. Lady was walking by and he put his arm thru my screen trying to get at her. He got his ass whooped. No probs since then. We can walk past ppl on our walks and ppl can walk pst our house and he might wimper or a slight growl but after that he calms down and is just alert. He still isnt good around other dogs but we now go another route on our walk that has a ton of dogs. He is alert to them and breathes deep around them but he easily corrected and we move on. He tries to mark every pole or sign so i limit his sniffing and marking. Prong collar is the shiz. This unruly dude has calmed down a ton and is finally playing with Hazel alot more. Some days he growls at my kids like an old man and others he doesnt care. Hes starting to realize he doesnt run my house like his previous owners. Hes being stubborn on recall but some smoked bacon will solve that real quick lol. in a month or so i assume he will be part of the pack.

If a dog runs away and comes home on their own does that mean anything?

I'm waiting for the positive only trainers to come and tell you how wrong u are for correcting your dog. I say, good job...do I say beat your dog senseless every time they do something wrong? No. But your dog was showing some serious signs of bratty, dominant, entitled behavior. Many dogs do that when they don't have a leader present. You gave the dog a correction that was believable to it. It had value to it. It wasn't a "please don't try and bite me Precious when I touch your food. Mommy doesn't like that." That means nothing to the dog. So again, good job. Your dog got the point. As far as the prong....I'll always say it's one of the best tools out there and a great way to have conversations with your dog. And no, it doesn't hurt the dog. Poor owners do more to hurt dogs than any prong collar ever will.

 

[Boxergirl]

So you condone hitting a dog as correction, Season? I just want to clarify. "Whooping" ass, to me, means beating the dog. I don't know any trainer that condones hitting as a correction method.

 

[goatnipples2002]

I believe in raising my dogs like my kids. U do good u get the world...u do bad and u get corrections. If my kids ever rose a hand to me or my wife they wont be raising that hand for a couple weeks. I studied martial arts for many years in my 20s....i learned balance. I don't believe in just positive reinforcement and no negative or vice versa. I use both theories. I match the correction with the behavior. When he bit me he got slapped up and slammed. When he put his arm thru my window screen trying to get at a lady and her toddler I spanked him with a 2 ply 2ft leash. I mean hell when u guys were being raised u got ur ass whooped right? U learned respect right? U wonder what wrong with kids and animals today...they run their owners/parents. All positive reinforcement doesnt teach fear or respect. When it comes to MY kids and animals u have 2 choices fear me or respect me. I'm not some super harsh idiot that tortures anything...hell I wont even kill bugs that go in my house...i catch and release. Funny how trainers preach balance yet they only employ a 1 dimensional training theory.

 

[Boxergirl]

I believe in corrections, absolutely. I have raised two young women to adulthood. They are the most respectful, responsible young ladies I know. I don't know anyone that wouldn't agree with that assessment. Not one time did I hit them. I used other methods to teach them the proper way to behave and what I expected of them. I also have never hit my dogs. I think physical punishment is the easy way out and teaches nothing but fear. Of course that's my opinion, but I honestly don't know any trainer - no matter their philosophy -that condones hitting as correction. I truly hope that your child doesn't try that same correction with the dog and has to pay a steep price for it. It could so easily backfire.

 

[season]

So you condone hitting a dog as correction, Season? I just want to clarify. "Whooping" ass, to me, means beating the dog. I don't know any trainer that condones hitting as a correction method.

Hear we go....Yeah, I hit my dog every day...give me a break. And I didn't take "whooping ass" as anything more than a figure of speech.

 

[Boxergirl]

Hear we go....Yeah, I hit my dog every day...give me a break. And I didn't take "whooping ass" as anything more than a figure of speech.

I simply asked for clarification and I never said, or thought, that you hit your dog every day. Let's not be dramatic. Go back and read the new explanation. Whooping ass meant literally hitting. As you didn't seem to be someone that corrected in that manner, I was a little surprised that you seemed to be okay with it.

 

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I believe in corrections, absolutely. I have raised two young women to adulthood. They are the most respectful, responsible young ladies I know. I don't know anyone that wouldn't agree with that assessment. Not one time did I hit them. I used other methods to teach them the proper way to behave and what I expected of them. I also have never hit my dogs. I think physical punishment is the easy way out and teaches nothing but fear. Of course that's my opinion, but I honestly don't know any trainer - no matter their philosophy -that condones hitting as correction. I truly hope that your child doesn't try that same correction with the dog and has to pay a steep price for it. It could so easily backfire.

Well said. So many people when they hear the word "correction" automatically think you must be hitting, kicking, locking your dog in a closet etc....not the case. I don't need to hit my dog in order to get my point across. But then you have some people who don't spank their kids because they consider that hitting or abusive.

 

[season]

I simply asked for clarification and I never said, or thought, that you hit your dog every day. Let's not be dramatic. Go back and read the new explanation. Whooping ass meant literally hitting. As you didn't seem to be someone that corrected in that manner, I was a little surprised that you seemed to be okay with it.

Touche'.....I correct my dog.

 

[Boxergirl]

Spanking is hitting. Whether it's abusive or not - I guess that depends. But it *is* hitting and I think there are better ways to teach children than by spanking.

 

[goatnipples2002]

Im a very calm person but in these two scenarios I felt were extreme and needed extreme corrections. I know most wont agree, but had he got out and hurt/killed that lady or her child I would be in huge shiz and I couldn't live with myself. Plus the blatant disregard for the home needed something more than "NO!" or getting locked outside. Biting needed an extreme correction because what if it was one of my children? I'd feel horrible because I allowed that to happen. I'm normally not abusive but I am reactive. I do understand where u guys are coming from.

I'm on here to learn a better way of developing a great dog, but when I'm met with agression like a dog bite I go primal and react.