Red Dog Ridge

[fosrick]

Has anyone purchased a Dogue de Bordeaux from Red Dog Ridge? I've spoken to Michelle there; she is very helpful and seems extremely knowledgeable. I've searched "red dog ridge" on this site and it didn't turn up anything. I apologize if it's already been discussed. Thanks.

 

[musicdeb]

I have't heard of this breeder. Where are you? Not good that you can't find anything on the internet. Are the dogs taken care of? Have you been to the breeders?

 

[fosrick]

They are listed on here: http://www.ddbs.org/Health/HealthyStars.htm

Here is their website: http://reddogridge.net/

I haven't been to visit. They are in Michigan, I'm in Louisiana. I would like to visit which ever breeder I end up going with prior to purchasing a pup.

Thanks for any help.

 

[Marrowshard]

UKC registration is interesting ... the website's boasting about having more champion-titled dogs than any other Us kennel, but none of them are AKC, just UKC. Would you be getting a pup to show/breed or as a pet? From my understanding the showmanship of the two clubs are vastly different and some people have said that because the UKC puts an emphasis on "working" types as opposed to "show" types it can lead to badly-made dogs (conformation-wise) becoming champions. As far as the kennel's brag about never using professional handlers: that's because the UKC doesn't allow it, not because they choose to do it that way.
Aside from the that, Red Dog seems to have an awful lot of variability in their dogs despite the assertion that they breed their own kennel rather than buy to improve the lines. Their female "Rayne" makes me cringe with a muzzle that squashed.
I wouldn't say no right away if you're going for a pet-quality pup but if you're wanting to show or are gunning for a really great-looking dogyou might want to shop around a bit.

That being said, I do not and never have had a DDB so take what I say with a grain of salt and aside from looking at the website just now and double-checking the differences between AKC and UKC I've never heard anything positive or negative about this particular kennel.

~Marrow

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

I agree with Marrow. The "show" type is subjective as always.....but for a "pet" I too would "shop around."

In either case do YOU like the dogs/breeders? We can offer our opinion but how do YOU feel?

 

[fosrick]

Thanks for the feedback. It would be a pet but I want a good dog. I guess I was assuming this ddb society of america was legit. Ive emailed others as well. Mt sanai was another. Is there a recommended breeder list for ddb on this site?

 

[raechiemay]

You can check the AKC site for a breeder list. I believe they have them posted on there.

 

[Marrowshard]

UKC is technically "legit", they just do things differently than the AKC which, as I'm sure you know, is the usual standard for the US. With their asking prices being what they are ($1500 for pet-grade, $2000+ for show-grade) I would expect AKC titling. I wouldn't know anything about the DDBS since that's very definitely breed-specific.
Looking at the pedigree for Amador, it looks like he's double-registered which is nice, but it only works one way (AKC doesn't recognize UKC, but UKC recognizes AKC). Looks like I was mistaken earlier when I said they don't use AKC registered dogs, so I apologize for that, but since they only show in UKC that raises some flags right there. Better than seeing a pedigree full of CKC registrations, at least.
DD raises an excellent point - we can give you all the opinions you can handle but at the end of the day it's your dog. The breeder definitely doesn't appear to be a BYB or mill and the animals look pretty healthy so if you're comfortable with the breeder and her dogs and the contract/price and won't be showing AKC anyway then maybe all that doesn't matter. If you like the look of the dogs, then don't let us stop you LOL. Would you be getting their available female pup or putting in for the December Atticus/Apple litter?

~Marrow

 

[fosrick]

The AKC website links to that breed clubs website and list them as the recognized national breed club. I'll look for more info on AKC titled dogs. I'm not sure that means much in terms of health and temperament but I guess it's worth something.

 

[ruthcatrin]

I don't know that I'd say the UKC is bad, they have their issues, but then so does the AKC to be fair, and its WAY better than the Continental KC. The UKC DID just recently publicly state that they intended to work with the breed clubs to try to work some of the more severe health issues out of some breeds (exceptionally short muzzles for example), where the AKC just shruged and said something to the effect of "why would we do that?". I'm in the process of cross registering Apollo to the UKC actually. I AM kinda surprised that they are ONLY showing UKC though, I'd be curious why, are the standards that different?

In the end though if you aren't going to show Marrow's right, what counts is the health of the parents and pup and what you want.

 

[eddee]

If you are willing to travel that far, try looking at Von Krenz they are up in Minn. I was doing research just like you for a DDB and they look like the best to me. just a little out of my price range which alot of them are.

 

[fosrick]

Thanks. I contacted Von Krenz. That would be neat because my cousin just moved there.

 

[girldogue]

I would NEVER EVER in a million years recommend von krenz - he is has screwed over PLENTY of people with crap dogs or no papers - he totally fuXXed over a good friend of mine . Do a google search on him.

If you are willing to travel that far, try looking at Von Krenz they are up in Minn. I was doing research just like you for a DDB and they look like the best to me. just a little out of my price range which alot of them are.

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you would be a fool to send money to him - do not believe his hype .

Thanks. I contacted Von Krenz. That would be neat because my cousin just moved there.

 

[girldogue]

you would be a fool to send money to him - do not believe his hype .

Thanks. I contacted Von Krenz. That would be neat because my cousin just moved there.

 

[fosrick]

you would be a fool to send money to him - do not believe his hype .

Who was your friend? Who are you? You seem like an ass by calling me a fool. So until I know otherwise I will assume you are.

 

[Cody]

Who was your friend? Who are you? You seem like an ass by calling me a fool. So until I know otherwise I will assume you are.

I really don't think girl dogue was trying to insult you as much as warn you.
There are many breeders out there and the dog world can be a messy place. I would not take a warning such as that lightly...

 

[fosrick]

I've spent a fair amount of time researching various breeds and now this one. Reading, talking to people, meeting people and "you're a fool if........" type comments are not very helpful. You're a fool if you buy a ford says the chevy person and vice versa. Im only here for help and absolutely appreciate any feedback but try to back it up a little bit please. Thanks for all the comments.

 

[girldogue]

I've spent a fair amount of time researching various breeds and now this one. Reading, talking to people, meeting people and "you're a fool if........" type comments are not very helpful. You're a fool if you buy a ford says the chevy person and vice versa. Im only here for help and absolutely appreciate any feedback but try to back it up a little bit please. Thanks for all the comments.

Mark Roberts (d/b/a Von Krenz) was kicked out for life from the DDBS. He has screwed over many people - there is a FB page just about what a shitty person/ breeder he is. A simple google search will find you complaints - he is in bad standing with the BBB. He screwed over a friend of mine and he has been sued by others ... good luck getting papers on any dog bought from him either....

is that enough info ?

 

[fosrick]

Yup that's great info! Thanks!!! He's still listed on their healthy stars page. So can some one recommend s breeder or two for me???!! Please!!! All the ones I chase down seem to be bad. They can't all be bad.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Did you try a breed club? They might know of a few breeders in the area.

I know is frustrating but keep searching, it will be worth it in the end.