Standing Ground.

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I'm done. Good luck.

"Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."
- Miyamoto Musashi

 

[teodora]

First of all its a bit of an exageration to say killing bite she wouldn't have killed the man. At most she would have subdued him. Also the man was not badly hurt, just startled and very apologetic about the behavior of his dog. I think this killing dogs thing must be an american phenomena (not surprising considering the incidence of capital punishment for humans). If after during a 10 day quarantine a dog who bit is found to be rabid then the dog can be euthanized. Otherwise no.

I honestly have doubts that in any part of this world a dog that killed an innocent passerby on the street will not get euthanasia. And I have doubts that your fila would just "subdue" people in a non-harmful manner lol. Sweet dreams!!

 

[Esand]

Glad to see you go. This whole thread has turned out to be a trainwreck. I was looking for specific advice regarding building confidence when rushed by a strange dog but got a bunch of unsolicited advice on a host of other matters.

I really feel like I must not have accurately expressed myself. It wasn't supposed to be about equipment, martingales, prongs, nylon etc. There was obviously an equipment failure which as the equippeur falls squarely on my shoulders. It was supposed to about how to teach steadiness so that in the event of an equipment failure she doesn't take off running.

 

[Smokeycat]

First of all its a bit of an exageration to say killing bite she wouldn't have killed the man. At most she would have subdued him.

Have you never paid attention to how predators kill. Most bite the underside of the neck (the throat). There are many important structures in the front of the neck with very little protection, which is why it is called a 'killing bite'. You said yourself that she went for the man's throat and had ahold of the underside of the lab's neck. She instinctively goes for a killing bite.
This bite wasn't serious but it easily could have been. In the future as she becomes more confident and sure of herself should she decide to bite again the result could be very different, be the victim human or canine.
For her sake and those who live in your area I can only hope that you realize that her not standing her ground wasn't the only or most serious problem. Both humans involved played a much more significant role in the escalation than either dog did.

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[teodora]

and ok, I won't reply anymore because it's like talking to a wall: I'll just add that, for your information, that dog of yours is not the usual mutt you find in the backyards. And even if she was, for somebody who's been working with dogs (or surrounded by dogs which a totally different story!) you really sound clueless. Dangerously clueless.

 

[Esand]

I have doubts that your fila would just "subdue" people in a non-harmful manner lol.

Maybe it is just wishful thinking. I admit thats a real possibility, though, supposedly early filas were bred to capture runaway slaves, not execute them. I've also seen how when she starts to eye someone in that way that means, 'watch out, I'm about to try to kill you' the best way to deal with it is actually for me to say 'lets go' or to take a step in the other direction. She has never once lunged at someone we were walking away from.

Even if you look at the video I posted back on the first page she doesn't go after the other dog. Almost all of the progress we've had with training is product of me being ever better to put myself in her head so to speak. Ojeriza is to be wary. It doesn't mean crazy out of mind human aggressive.

 

[angelbears]

I understood exactly what you were asking and I believe the others understood too. We all saw a bigger problem that needs to be addressed. It is really sad for your dog and for the Fila breed that you don't see it. The video that you posted of your dog at the park showed how clueless you are. Now, you're telling us the dog has finally bitten someone. Those of us that love the Fila breed get pissed when someone puts them and the breed at risk.

 

[Esand]

I understood exactly what you were asking and I believe the others understood too. We all saw a bigger problem that needs to be addressed. It is really sad for your dog and for the Fila breed that you don't see it. The video that you posted of your dog at the park showed how clueless you are. Now, you're telling us the dog has finally bitten someone. Those of us that love the Fila breed get pissed when someone puts them and the breed at risk.

You don't think I see the problem with her biting? I do, trust me. However I don't see that as her problem rather as an understandable behavior considering her natural instincts and the situation. Now my role as her owner is to teach her that that is not the correct response in this situation but we are obviously not there yet. That's undeniable after last night. Because we're not at that point - I believe your term was 'bomb proof'- there is a management component. That management component relies on equipment. The equipment I used last night failed. That's on me 100%, I should have had a stronger, more reinforced collar and will be buying one first thing tomorrow. Obviously had the collar not failed she wouldn't have run away as such she wouldn't have bit the man (maybe his dog) but I really don't need advice on that problem. I can figure out the solution to that one on my own.

 

[EverythingEnglishMastiff]

Please learn to better handle and equip your Fila. Please don't breed your Fila. Please get a poodle or a chihuahua for your next dog, or a turtle, frog, or hamster instead. Please take the others advice that know what they are talking about. Please try and see the big picture and not be closed minded. Where's Glasgow when you need him? Wonder what he would say lol.

 

[Esand]

Seriously EEM? Do you not see The irony in your post considering what's been going on at your house the last couple of days? Do you think a turtle could have broken down your door?

Yes her collar was inadacuate and yes that's my fault. What is with needing to harp that point. its certainly not a mistake I'll ever make again

 

[EverythingEnglishMastiff]

My dog is highly obedient. He's never bitten anyone. Sure he loses his top when a bitch is in heat LOL. That can't be helped except for maybe mutilating his mommy daddy parts. That's gonna happen. I accepted the issue and took the advice open mindedly and we are making adjustments. I'm trying to see the big picture. I.E. my thread wasn't asking how to teach him to not break windows lol. When clearly that wasn't the issue.

 

[EverythingEnglishMastiff]

Also I am indeed considering a turtle or a female as opposed to a male to circumvent this issue in the future lol.

 

[angelbears]

There is a huge difference between your problem and EEM's. A house can be repaired.

 

[EverythingEnglishMastiff]

Ooh or maybe a monkey!? Yes, most probably a monkey, a female monkey.

 

[tmricciuto]

My two cents is that if your dog bit me or any of my family on the throat if have called the cops and asked it be put down. Like others have said, an animal goes for the throat for a reason.

But get a better collar and work on confidence so next time the puppy doesn't run away at all but actually kills someone or something.


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[angelbears]

Exactly, tmricciuto!

 

[Esand]

There is a huge difference between your problem and EEM's. A house can be repaired.

So can a collar. That's really not the point. I have a good idea on how to solve the collar problem, as for the tolerating strangers problem and not taking people's heads off, I feel like we're on a good track with that and it's something we work on every single day. I put in a lot of hours with my dogs.

The problem I was asking about was really about building confidence and not retreating.

 

[Bob Felts]

Wow Esand. You are a bit clueless IMHO. Where you see a problem is the issue I think. You are worried about the wrong things. I'd honestly suggest you return your dog to the breeder or a rescue. You seem more suited to be a cat person anyway. Perhaps being attentive to some of the advice given earlier is your best bet. Fish are nice and peaceful as well.

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[Esand]

My two cents is that if your dog bit me or any of my family on the throat if have called the cops and asked it be put down. Like others have said, an animal goes for the throat for a reason.

But get a better collar and work on confidence so next time the puppy doesn't run away at all but actually kills someone or something.


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Actually a confident dog is much less likely to kill someone than one who lacks confidence. Scared nervous dogs are responsible for most of bites.

 

[teodora]

and oh well. hold her by a collar - not prong - when she's winded up. Good luck. have you ever tried it with a full grown and fully determined mastiff, lol? )) No, the management component is NOT the equipment, is managing your dog's mind. And that's done by building her confidence in YOU, not herself.