Standing Ground.

[Gingerman]

Here's my take. If u have had a secure collar on you wouldn't have to worry about your dog "standing it's ground". You could have done your job as the leader to protect your dog and "stand your own ground". I use a prong for these very reasons. You just never know about other dogs and especially ones that have idiot owners who have them off leash in town. I had a similar situation happen with me and a Solo. He had his prong on so I don't worry about him slipping out or whatever. I put Solo in between me and the other dog and when the dog got close I put a size 12 right in its face. I stood my ground. Solo wasn't in harm and the owner of the other dog didn't say a word cause he knew I wasn't messing around.
Moral of the story, be ready for anything. Be ready to protect your dog. It's not your dog's job to protect you and lastly get a better collar. I suggest a prong.


"Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."
- Miyamoto Musashi

Be sure to secure the prong collar to another collar or harness. Prong have a tendency to come apart under stress.

The Good Dog Minute shows how to do this easily, in their Intro.to the Prong Collar video. I have experienced, with two large dogs, these prough come apart.

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[season]

I've never had one come apart but I feel u. It's a simple thing to do. Good call.


"Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."
- Miyamoto Musashi

 

[DennasMom]

I've had a prong come apart... luckily the dog was as surprised as I was, so he didn't bolt. He was our one-way bulldog/boxer mix, and was a pain to re-collect when he didn't want to be caught (he loved playing chase-me). The prong in question had also be bent in a few spots, which didn't help. It was a soft 'puppy prong', so much easier to bend than an adult version.

 

[Myre]

I've had a prong collar pop apart when I hadn't attached it to a back-up collar. Thankfully, my pup didn't run out into traffic or away from me and I was able to re-collar him quickly. For that minute, though, I was terrified. I make damned sure to use a back up every time now.

 

[NYDDB]

My Herm-Sprenger prong is attached to a martingale- it's a beautiful system (I believe I first read about doing it this way from Leerburg.) I did have the prong dislocate once, but it was my error in attaching it correctly. Since then, no other issues at all; they are built well.)

 

[fila4me]

You should never breed Filas. You are fucking clueless. You are making all kinds of excuses but the bottom line is, you let your dog get a bite when you shouldn't have. There is no excuse. You have been warned by many people that have years of experience with these dog and yet you ignore them. These dogs are banned in countries for a reason.

Christ....gone for a bit and shit got crazy.Love you AB

 

[fila4me]

Actually a confident dog is much less likely to kill someone than one who lacks confidence. Scared nervous dogs are responsible for most of bites.

A confident Fila will kill someone if the need arises. The key to the Fila is never giving them the chance.

 

[fila4me]

I agree: the problem is aiming and going for a person's neck, and that's a damn BIG problem. I would be very very worried about human aggression if she was my dog. Unfortunately , our dogs have to adjust to living among humans without eating them up. I pretty much do the same: tight collar on, gentle leader collar which makes me able to handle him quickly and get him look at me, muzzle when off leash and there are people/dogs around. Plus I work with him (and hopefully with a new trainer) daily/with trainer for recall on a regular basis. I do my best to prevent it from happening - there's no "easy fix" and I would not penalize him for his protection instinct either. He's very young and gets winded up when he sees other male dogs (he won't start a fight but he'll stand his ground if given half a chance, and believe me, I wish he didn't....)

That's what Filas do, they go for the throat.Training and socialization is so important to teach them what real threat is. She's a pup, she's young and freaked. It happens, she did a good job. BUT.....your concern after the fact isjust one of the things that get us Fila owners in a tizzy, especially after that video. You really need to reevaluate why you have a Fila? Based on some comments it seems like this is all a game or joke. It chaps my ass to see posts and comments like I have after all the hard work we all put into keeping our beloved Filas in the background. Who is your breed who sells with a temp. guarantee? I for one have issues that you were allowed to purchase a Fila from strong temps as a first time owner . My breeder would have told you to mentor and get more breed experience and come back in a year or two with proof you got it.I can't even think straight after reading all of this. First responsibility of Fila ownership, hell any dog for that matter, is to double, triple check thar all equipment is in perfect order! With that none of this would be any issue, you have stated that yourself. I pray you learn from all of this and digest and retain the advice you have been given. As I love my Filas more than people and want to protect my right to own them here in the US, I am can help with any questions or concrns. Filas in my home for over 21 yrs now and mentored with a Fila breeder for 2yrs before that.

 

[karennj]

I think you don't really understand your dog. I watched the video you posted and she is not nervous. She very clearly is "standing her ground" and telling that other dog to stay away. She is protecting the space around you. She is doing body/head on positioning, staring, freezing, crouching, stalking and lunges. A couple times her front end was a little lowered which shows she is being weary but a dog who postures with a head down is more likely to follow through with a bite. Honestly, if this is how she acts at a dog park you really need to stop bringing her to the park. If I was at a park and saw a dog that keep charging off any dog that came by it I would ask the owner to leave. All you need is one dog who can't read social cues or is a bit of a bully and your going to have a big problem. If you want a dog that "protects" you, you have one. Ok, her first instinct was to run but she is young and once she realized you weren't with her and she thought you were in trouble she came to take care of it. She isn't even mature yet and I see her standing her ground.

 

[angelbears]

Nice to see you back Fila4me!

 

[Sinnister]

I've had my fair share of issues with my Bullmastiff. Nothing quite like this but still I've been challenged. I can't say that I couldn't ever imagine her biting someone, because under the right set of circumstances and if enough fear was involved anything can happen....but I couldn't imagine being more worried about her running from me than her biting a human in the NECK??? I wouldn't care much about her running from me at that point. I would care if I was being sued, if my dog was going to be put down because of my negligence and if I could ever trust her not to do it again.

 

[teodora]

On another topic everybody agrees a dog should be put down with no question because he was grumpy once (and didn't bite, just lunged). On the other side this owner who had a PUPPY taking humans by the throat is worried that the pup is not dominant enough. I remember that song: mad, mad world...

 

[Boxergirl]

On another topic everybody agrees a dog should be put down with no question because he was grumpy once (and didn't bite, just lunged). On the other side this owner who had a PUPPY taking humans by the throat is worried that the pup is not dominant enough. I remember that song: mad, mad world...

If I'm not mistaken it was more than once being "grumpy". The other dog you are discussing did in fact draw blood once on the forehead of the child and the last time the child required four stitches on the ear. If I remember my facts correctly. Grumpy is not lunging repeatedly at a child. Please - not one person has suggested euthanasia lightly, and I think it's unfair that you imply they have.

 

[teodora]

did it? I did't see anything about stitches initially. Not gonna argue, I'd be wasting my time. At the end of the day anyone can pts any dog just because the owner doesn't wanna play anymore. These dogs are our toys unfortunately. When the toy is broken - not aggressive enough, or too aggressive - it's so much easier to get another one.Just compare those two topics: it is ironical - if not sad...

 

[teodora]

Case 1: "Odin came into the bedroom where my daughter and I were and he started looking at her like he didn't know who she was. He locked on her and his body tensed, I said "Odin what are you doing, at that moment, I went for his collar and he lunged at her at the same time and started growling and trying to bite her. For a good 5-10 seconds he was really trying to hurt her, I was grabbing him and pushing him back and getting in his face yelling his name (trying to snap him out of it). I finally got through to him and he calmed a bit, I told my girl to leave and put him in the kennel. " - where are the stitches? It's a very epic description and a lot of assumptions ("like he didn't know who she was") but the facts are that the dog was just grumpy. Conclusion: the dog should be killed immediately. Case 2: "Leia is sprinting back towards me. The man is bending down next to me putting on a leash. I notice the look in her eye. I call out to her. In vain. She lunges mouth fully opened and hits most likely where she was aiming, his neck. He's knocked on his side and she sort of flys over him. [....] I get her collar back on. The man is bleeding lightly. She's got some of his shirt stuck in her teeth." Conclusion: the dog is not dominant enough. Bad breeding. She didn't stand her ground.Very logical.

 

[Boxergirl]

At the end of the day anyone can pts any dog just because the owner doesn't wanna play anymore. These dogs are our toys unfortunately. When the toy is broken - not aggressive enough, or too aggressive - it's so much easier to get another one.

Apologies in advance for taking this thread off-topic.

From the other thread you are discussing: "This time he lunged at her and ripped her ear and ended up needing 4 stitches." and "Several months back my daughter and Odin where playing behind the couch for just a a minute or two, I told her to get off the floor with him and she stood up crying. That time Odin did something to where he broke the skin on her forehead."

I really hope that the quoted bit above isn't in reference to Odin's owner, because that would be awfully assumptious and hurtful to that person. I think she's hurting enough already.

 

[Boxergirl]

In fact, I feel that any reference made to the other thread should be removed. My comments included. It seems wrong to discuss it here.

 

[teodora]

it's a free world. I guess I can express my opinion, popular or not.

 

[teodora]

if it was a reference to anyone, it was to this post's author - the one who's complaining her young puppy is not assertive enough. But... i'm sure it won't change her mind regarding how a fila "should" be.