Straight stifles

[Hector]

Bouncing off of QY10's thread on Angus...

Okay, taking a look back at some photos I can tell Hector doesn't have the best stifles. He's not straight straight, but it's piss poor angulation especially compared to Buddy's.

Lack of any bend



on the deck in natural positions





very straight lol




Buddy - very noticeable bend just standing

 

[Hector]

More examples:

Danes:

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DANE REAR | Jill Swedlow

 

[Smokeycat]

I like this depiction of stile angles.
http://devinefarm.net/rear.htm

 

[Hector]

I like this depiction of stile angles.
http://devinefarm.net/rear.htm

That was informative, thanks. Now I will try to get them hocks perpendicular and see.

 

[mountainfila]

this is straight

http://www.loveofbreeds.com/Promo/PUMABEST.jpg

 

[ruthcatrin]

this is straight

http://www.loveofbreeds.com/Promo/PUMABEST.jpg

Shit, that dog took BIS with a rear structure like that??

 

[Hector]

this is straight

http://www.loveofbreeds.com/Promo/PUMABEST.jpg

Yes that's pretty damn straight. I think Hector's is close if I straightened his hocks out.

This is straight up straight

 

[mountainfila]

Shit, that dog took BIS with a rear structure like that??

Gotta love judges lol I guess its not what you show but who you know, I would be embarrassed to be the judge that put that up lol

 

[ruthcatrin]

Hector's got fairly straight legs, though a proper stack would tell for sure, but he's not that straight.....

 

[Hector]

Hector's got fairly straight legs, though a proper stack would tell for sure, but he's not that straight.....

About to whack him with a frying pan upside his head. He doesn't feel comfortable with me holding him and moving his legs so what does he do...growl. Because he's uncomfortable, he's curving his back and wants to sit down. Lame.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Does he have a "stand" or "wait" sort of command?

 

[ruthcatrin]

It did take some practice for Apollo to get used to being stacked. Might take a few sessions for him to figure it out.

 

[Hector]

Does he have a "stand" or "wait" sort of command?

No, his stand is weak. He won't stand without a lure and doesn't stay, he likes to sit. He is not good with stand. Stay don't work, he will sit. Can't touch Mr. Attitude without his approval >.>.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Nothing wrong with using a lure to get him to hold still so you can snap a shot just mean you may need an extra person to hold it.

 

[QY10]

I was trying earlier to get Angus to stand. He instinctively wants to sit, too.

He doesn't "stand stay" so each time I got him close to being in the proper position and tried to move away for the picture, he would just follow me. Then he'd sit in front of me with this look like, "you can take my picture now, mom!"

It'll be a two person job. I can guarantee his legs are not as straight as those pictures though!


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[Siloh]

You rock for making this thread, because I was going to yesterday. I didn't want to hijack Q's thread but after reading the info you sent her I took a billion pictures of Hamlet's knees!

I don't really know what stacking is, but this is Hamlet being extremely interested in frying bacon.



Hamlet standing more naturally


So to me it looks much straighter when he's in a casual pose. Here's Ham and me being bad because Ham is on bed rest but he hopped up to see over the edge of the porch.

PS, just realized the first shot is a good example of what his tail might look like cropped! I did a double take before I realized his tail is just wagging like crazy.

 

[ruthcatrin]

That first pic is a very nice free stack Siloh. Stacking is the term used in showing, the stance that should show a dog's physical confirmation the best. Ideally, the dog should be able to assume that stance naturally without help, though very few actually do in the show ring. In this case, since we're looking at the rear structure, the lower leg should be perpendicular to the floor and the back level.

 

[Hector]

Siloh, Hammy's stifle looks good. Surprisingly, I read on another forum a dog with good stifles had 1 ccl tear in each leg and then a retear - blah!

 

[ruthcatrin]

Straight stifles isn't hte only cause of tears. But it would definitely make a dog more likely to be injured that way.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Ok, quick course in stacking a dog. Most used for showing, but as discussed above its the best way to actually look at your dog's structure.

Apollo's probly not the best subject because the fluff throws off the eye till you get used to it, but he's what I've got.

First picture is Apollo in a show picture, its not a perfect stack, cause he twitched his feet just as the photographer snapped the shot, but you get the idea. 2nd picture is Apollo in a free stack (free-stack: dog did it naturally, I did not in any way place his feet or change his stance).



Front legs should be straight down from the shoulder. If you held a string at the point of the shoulder the leg should follow the fall of the string.
Rear legs, the lower leg (hock to ankle) should be perpendicular to the floor/ground. In many breeds this means that the rear feet are extended behind the dog's rear.
Back should be level. Feet should be straight forward, not turned to one side or the other.

(note: as far as I know the above holds true for most of the mastiffs and molosser type dogs, however there are exceptions to the rule, the GSD being a major one)