What breed has been the most vicious/aggresive?

[ruthcatrin]

I was referring to all this in terms of what the most vicious Mastiff-type breed people have encountered that would be the type that they wouldn't exactly buy because it was highly aggressive.

I know that this is a stretch, however, I like the idea of trying to channel such a highly aggressive Mastiff breed into being used for a therapy/service dog.

No. Period. No. Grow up, stop trolling, and get your head out of the clouds. Though there's always an exception to the rule, but your chances of finding that 1 in a million dog who's NOT aggressive and could be trained to be such is, well, 1 in a million, if not smaller. And any dog who's attacking family isn't simply aggressive its unstable, which is NOT the same thing as a stable aggressive dog doing what it was bred for. You do not channel aggression. You cannot not train out bred in aggression. You cannot socialize out bred in aggression. And trying to will result in an unstable dog who will harm the people its supposed to be helping.

 

[chuckorlando]

Clearly, this is the breed your looking for

[video=youtube;4r7wHMg5Yjg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg[/video]

 

[angelbears]

I love me some Honey Badger! Stupid shit!!!!

 

[chuckorlando]

They are pretty bad ass AB.

 

[Smart_Family]

I love me some Honey Badger! Stupid shit!!!!

Honey badger don't give a shit! It takes what it wants!

 

[mx5055]

dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. A dog that'll attack family.....thats not aggression, thats purely unstable.
And social aggression?? And you think you can turn that into a therapy dog??

Why do I kick such a kick out of Ruth's response when she uses the term "dude"??? Cause I know it's time to get the bowl of popcorn :lolbangtable:

 

[DMikeM]

I have cheesy Jalapeño sprinkle for my popcorn, and some cokes on the freezer.

 

[Cody]

Wow... seriously? LMAO!

 

[Cody]

Well said Ruth.

WRT therapy work, I dunno that drive plays much of a role in it. If anything you have to totally squash a dog's drives for therapy work. Its all about good nerves, bidability, and temperament. I also don't think intelligence places much of a role in it either... Service dogs, sure, but not therapy work.

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I have to disagree. For therapy you need a very stable dog who can handle all situations, sounds, scents and stimuli. In order to do this work with a guardian breed you also need a well trained dog who can focus on you. My girl does not run to the people she is being pet by at therapy, she sits because I tell her to and gets pet while maintaining eye contact with me. She does not jump all over them seeking their attention, she will take the petting or leave it. It is in the training. She will also go nuts for a flirt pole and has hunted down and killed wild animals such as foxes and birds. Your Blue was from Amore right? How many of their dogs had their therapy certification as well as were proven in working venues. I remember pictures of Xander doing therapy work with kids right after demonstrating bite work. It is in the training not necessarily "totally squashed drive". I will agree that one wouldn't pick the drivest puppy in the litter for a therapy home but...

 

[cookiedough39]

I saw this when it was first posted and did not want to touch it. I now see why. I guess poster thought this was a forum full of owners who let their dogs tug on leashes and snap at strangers. You might want to ask this question in another forum buddy.

 

[BradA1878]

I have to disagree. For therapy you need a very stable dog who can handle all situations, sounds, scents and stimuli. In order to do this work with a guardian breed you also need a well trained dog who can focus on you. My girl does not run to the people she is being pet by at therapy, she sits because I tell her to and gets pet while maintaining eye contact with me. She does not jump all over them seeking their attention, she will take the petting or leave it. It is in the training. She will also go nuts for a flirt pole and has hunted down and killed wild animals such as foxes and birds. Your Blue was from Amore right? How many of their dogs had their therapy certification as well as were proven in working venues. I remember pictures of Xander doing therapy work with kids right after demonstrating bite work. It is in the training not necessarily "totally squashed drive". I will agree that one wouldn't pick the drivest puppy in the litter for a therapy home but...

I think we are saying the same thing, no?

I wrote "Its all about good nerves, bidability, and temperament." ...

For therapy work I don't think intelligence and drive are very important. What I do think are important is stable temp, biddability, and good nerves (which is what you wrote)...

The focus training you are mentioning comes from the CC's natural biddability and the focus training squashies your dog's drives while she is focused on you. I wasn't saying therapy dogs can't have drive outside of that venue, I was just saying you have to control (squash) their drives during therapy work.

I'm not devaluing therapy work in anyway, I just don't think a dog has to be very intelligent to do it. Doesn't mean smart dogs, like a CC or a GSD, can't do it either.

Blue was Xanders half brother. They are both Mojo sons. Yes Xander and others from that kennel were therapy dogs - Blue was not, and had way too much dog aggression to even consider doing that with him. Apparently Xander and Blue's other half brothers didn't have the dog aggression issue - so I guess that came from Blue's mother.

 

[hugo]

Jagd Terrier.

hugo

 

[Bigdaddyjak]

Australian Cattle Dogs.

 

[Cody]

Thanks for clarifying Brad, it was more the squash the drive that I was responding too. I agree when focussed they have to not react to the drive. And I agree dogs don't require intelligence to do most therapy work that can easily be seen by many of the dogs that do it (not bashing therapy at all). However I do find it interesting when doing the room visits at the children's hospital how aware my girl is about the tubes and IV's. She is very careful not to touch, snag them when she is on beds with the kids. You can see her thinking... But I digress, this thread isn't about that. It is about some Yahoo wanting a big aggressive dog as a status symbol...

 

[BradA1878]

However I do find it interesting when doing the room visits at the children's hospital how aware my girl is about the tubes and IV's. She is very careful not to touch, snag them when she is on beds with the kids. You can see her thinking... But I digress, this thread isn't about that. It is about some Yahoo wanting a big aggressive dog as a status symbol...

That's a Corso tho, right: wonderful with children. Blue was as close to perfect with our daughter as possible.

But yea, back to the OP's small peni... I mean, aggressive dog question.

 

[Kadmos1]

It was not my intent to act as a troll, really.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

I'm curious why people have such a negative knee jerk reaction to the word "aggression"?

Without aggression man of the Mastiff breeds would be unable to perform the job they are designed to do. Aggression is an important key ingredient in the make up of most of the mastiff breeds.

Frankly its what separates them from the bluffing watchdogs and such.

Throughout history mastiffs and bulldogs have lived in the dark underbelly of dogdom and performed the dirty, dangerous, and extreme jobs other breeds could not. They would never be able to do these tasks without unadulterated aggression.

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What Tiger said below.....

I dont mind the word aggressive.... aggressive dogs have a place with the right people in the right situation. ...I just kind of think the OP is a troll.....sorry if your not, just a gut feeling

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OP their are plenty of "non-aggressive" breeds out there, its best if people leave good well enough alone. See today's "working" dogs.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

I saw this when it was first posted and did not want to touch it. I now see why. I guess poster thought this was a forum full of owners who let their dogs tug on leashes and snap at strangers. You might want to ask this question in another forum buddy.

Same here.....but damn it was good bait.

 

[northernmastiff]

I saw this when it was first posted and did not want to touch it. I now see why. I guess poster thought this was a forum full of owners who let their dogs tug on leashes and snap at strangers. You might want to ask this question in another forum buddy.

What? You mean your dog is not a slavering beast bent on the destruction of the world. Okay, I need to have a serious talk with Miss Daisy because she told me that was how all mastiffs rolled.

I mean, she ferociously skidded out on my front lawn this morning (doing the zoomies at 6 in the morning) and took a 2 foot strip of grass off...and when I fed her 2 pounds of raw meat today, she was definitely a slavering beast.

 

[cookiedough39]

I'll give you aggressive. today Carma ran full speed toward a dog at the dog park, and before I could stop her.......she slobbered him to death. I mean slim everywhere. People from all over the park were amazed.