Is APBT the top fighter of all dogs? No one beats him,in general terms

[al capone]

We sure have a "macho" atmosphere here and I do too. That doesn't mean I like my dogs to fight. I have had just one occasion where one of the dogs I have owned was involved in a fight. I tried to stop it but the other guy let go his dog attacked mine,I did the same thing. Then the guy told me to stop the fight when my dog had his from the neck. I said do it first,I asked you before.
I just wanted information about this type of dogs to be prepared to protect better my dog. I never wanted one of the dogs I ever had to get hurt no matter how.
Also I was curious to know why others type of aggressive dogs couldn't beat a APBT. Besides being a little macho,what is true because our culture,you were right DennasMom

 

[al capone]

I think the discussion was started not because of the need to debate these folks with machismo to spare, but of a fear that if attacked by one of these other dogs, will the OP's CC be able to fight and protect itself. Is that right?If that's the case, I would carry a bat and some pepper spray to protect HIM and just focus on raising a great dog.

The reason for this thread is exactly what you post right here.I have had mostly GSD and i didn't have the disconfort of reciving too much attention from dogs and people who has fighting dogs of any kind.But i'm afraid of have some one let go his dog over my CC.We have many APBT here and many "supe macho" guys.I'm going to wear my iron stick all the time.I thank you very much all of you guys,everyone, for taking your time to help me have a clearer scene.

 

[Deputy Dog]

The APBT is simply more tenacious than the other breeds when it comes to that.I don't condone dog fighting, but I do appreciate the fact that it is a part of their history. Especially because I own bully breeds that have historically been used for dog on dog combat. I think it's silly to deny that the fact that it was a part of their history. In addition, the media has built up this hype about pit bulls, dog fighting, bait dogs etc... Rather than taking their word as gospel, I chose to investigate the subject further and read some of the old texts and stories about dog fighting way back when to learn about what really happened and how things were really conducted. Again, I don't agree with dog fighting in any way, shape or form. But I don't agree with the media and rescues perpetuating complete lies to either stereotype a breed, or to help adopt out a dog.

Nicely articulated.

 

[QY10]

The reason for this thread is exactly what you post right here.I have had mostly GSD and i didn't have the disconfort of reciving too much attention from dogs and people who has fighting dogs of any kind.But i'm afraid of have some one let go his dog over my CC.We have many APBT here and many "supe macho" guys.I'm going to wear my iron stick all the time.I thank you very much all of you guys,everyone, for taking your time to help me have a clearer scene.

Striking the attacking dog might shock the dog into letting go. APBTs are very tenacious though.If you are concerned about someone letting their dog go to attack yours, I would consider carrying a break stick as well. A break stick could be as simple as a piece of a wooden broomstick. Something that you could wedge into the attacking dog's mouth to pry it open, forcing the attacker to let go of the other dog.

 

[robertosilva]

Contrary to what most people believe a true APBT is rarely seen in public and only kept to those in closed circles. You can't just go out out buy one or find one in a rescue centre, it is all about bloodlines.

The general public has nothing to fear from an APBT but thanks to over breeding of random Bull breed dogs there is a problem in America.

Here are a few examples of the APBT. The ADBA are considered to be the true game dogs whilst the UKC and AKC are mostly dual,refistered Am Staffs.

And this is the gamest Dog you will ever see.

 

[QY10]

Contrary to what most people believe a true APBT is rarely seen in public and only kept to those in closed circles. You can't just go out out buy one or find one in a rescue centre, it is all about bloodlines.The general public has nothing to fear from an APBT but thanks to over breeding of random Bull breed dogs there is a problem in America.Here are a few examples of the APBT. The ADBA are considered to be the true game dogs whilst the UKC and AKC are mostly dual,refistered Am Staffs.

And this is the gamest Dog you will ever see.

Very true. What the general public perceives to be a "pit bull" and what the APBT community consider to be a "pit bull" are two totally different things. Again, we can thank the media and their breed misidentification. Due to that, BSL uses the term "pit bull" as an umbrella term, when it has been historically used as shorthand for American Pit Bull Terrier. I own a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. If you ask me if she is a "pit bull", I will say, "NO!" Even though BSL would consider her to be one.A lot of people refer to the AmStaff as the "show dog" version of the APBT. APBT were never bred for looks. They were bred for function. AmStaffs were bred for the show ring.

 

[Esand]

On the subject of Dogos, which I know even less about than dog fighting, I was under the impression that while they have some fighting dog in the background of the breed,

The current experiences are obviously not something that gets a ton of press but if you're involved in the dog world even moderately here and you know the code words and euphemisms that are used you know that it's still a big part of the breed. Trust me there's a lot more dog fighting going on than big game hunting with dogos.

 

[JamieHalverson]

Very true. What the general public perceives to be a "pit bull" and what the APBT community consider to be a "pit bull" are two totally different things. Again, we can thank the media and their breed misidentification. Due to that, BSL uses the term "pit bull" as an umbrella term, when it has been historically used as shorthand for American Pit Bull Terrier. I own a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. If you ask me if she is a "pit bull", I will say, "NO!" Even though BSL would consider her to be one.A lot of people refer to the AmStaff as the "show dog" version of the APBT. APBT were never bred for looks. They were bred for function. AmStaffs were bred for the show ring.

Yep, my Yogi is an Am Staff mix, everybody and anybody considers him a Pit Bull. It's a weird place to be, advocacy groups lump the the breeds all together, too, referring to them all as Pit Bulls. Attempting to explain how he's NOT a Pit Bull can be just too tedious at times and I see peoples eyes gloss over... I've seen lots of bull breeds and mixes, I've probably never seen an APBT.

 

[JamieHalverson]

The current experiences are obviously not something that gets a ton of press but if you're involved in the dog world even moderately here and you know the code words and euphemisms that are used you know that it's still a big part of the breed. Trust me there's a lot more dog fighting going on than big game hunting with dogos.

Well, that's unfortunate.

 

[QY10]

Yep, my Yogi is an Am Staff mix, everybody and anybody considers him a Pit Bull. It's a weird place to be, advocacy groups lump the the breeds all together, too, referring to them all as Pit Bulls. Attempting to explain how he's NOT a Pit Bull can be just too tedious at times and I see peoples eyes gloss over... I've seen lots of bull breeds and mixes, I've probably never seen an APBT.

I hear ya! People refer to Thalia and Angus as pit bulls all the time. Depending on the person/situation, I'll either smile/nod/walk away, or try to educate. A true APBT is definitely hard to come by and they're certainly not the dog for everyone. I don't think the majority of people out there that own "pit bulls" could handle a true APBT.

 

[al capone]

Striking the attacking dog might shock the dog into letting go. APBTs are very tenacious though.If you are concerned about someone letting their dog go to attack yours, I would consider carrying a break stick as well. A break stick could be as simple as a piece of a wooden broomstick. Something that you could wedge into the attacking dog's mouth to pry it open, forcing the attacker to let go of the other dog.

Ok if the APBT got my dog,no way there is room to wedge the stick into his mouth to pry. The APBT keeps his mouth shut when got a dog biting.

 

[al capone]

Contrary to what most people believe a true APBT is rarely seen in public and only kept to those in closed circles. You can't just go out out buy one or find one in a rescue centre, it is all about bloodlines.

The general public has nothing to fear from an APBT but thanks to over breeding of random Bull breed dogs there is a problem in America.

Here are a few examples of the APBT. The ADBA are considered to be the true game dogs whilst the UKC and AKC are mostly dual,refistered Am Staffs.

And this is the gamest Dog you will ever see.

Right most of us got confused with bull breeds,but in a country where besides the bulldog,the only one is the APBT,the chances to be mistaken are few. When my CC was younger,people did confuse my dog with a very well taken care APBT.
The APBT has spread much in El Salvador.

 

[al capone]

The APBT has spread much here,BUT the majority are mix with some thing else. I heard there's much dog fighting for gambling

 

[twilightzone1981]

Dog fighting is inhumane and disgusting. Any person who wants a dog because it looks tough or mean needs to take a deep look inside and address some insecurities. I don't know how progressive law enforcement is El Salvador, but if you know of any dog fighting, I feel you have a moral obligation as a human being to report it ASAP. It should not be tolerated. I grew up around dog fighting and I can say it is purely driven by greed, ego, and evil. It's sad.. Even my local shelter is packed full of pitbulls with unknown histories. Not worth the risk if you have children, sorry but it's true. Unless you own a dog that is a legitimate working dog, there is no other reason to own a dog other than to be what he is, man's best friend and a part of your family.

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[al capone]

Dog fighting is inhumane and disgusting. Any person who wants a dog because it looks tough or mean needs to take a deep look inside and address some insecurities. I don't know how progressive law enforcement is El Salvador, but if you know of any dog fighting, I feel you have a moral obligation as a human being to report it ASAP. It should not be tolerated. I grew up around dog fighting and I can say it is purely driven by greed, ego, and evil. It's sad.. Even my local shelter is packed full of pitbulls with unknown histories. Not worth the risk if you have children, sorry but it's true. Unless you own a dog that is a legitimate working dog, there is no other reason to own a dog other than to be what he is, man's best friend and a part of your family.

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Don't get me wrong,I wrote before that only once my dog,it was a GSD,got into a fight. I own now a CC and walking with him I had a couple of semi fight with dogs without a leash. No one hurts.
I totally agree with you about fights,it's inhuman and the pain caused to the poor dogs is not understood.
There is no legislation for dog fighting,I let know the office that rule the dogs,is like AKC that you guys have. To ask what I can do, maybe police listen to them. It's hard the police listen people who has been treated by the mugs. They give a shit for people,what do you think they will do for dogs. We have a big corruption going on for decades in ES. Mugs have infiltrated the army. They found 13% of army men belonged to mugs,that was 10 days ago. Mugs is in police also,justice departments also etc.
Sorry,this is reality here.

 

[twilightzone1981]

No, I understand the situation in ES and US are completely different. All you can do is the right thing, and hope others do the same. Be safe and take care.

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[BAMCB]

Interesting information here.

 

[Molossers R Us]

There is a video in Youtube that shows a Caucacian Shepherd killing 2 wolfs saving the sheeps.A real video.If a Caucacian S. is capable of killing 2 wolf,one by one of coarse. How this type of dogs can't beat the APBT ?I know the APBT are very famous in all world.We have very many here,most of them handle by vicious people.But you also find some beautiful pets at homes.They have been raised correctly and are excellent dogs.

If you do a bit of searching on the internets, you can find several videos of Caucasian Ovtcharkas battling wolves, pitbulls, bears (i'm not kidding!), other Caucasian dogs, etc. They are a truly ferocious contender. I did not see any of the pitbulls emerge the victor from those battles. Take that for what it is worth. Just the sheer size of those Caucasians with their thick, wooly coat and you can see where they would be at a HUGE advantage over a typical pitbull. I think this is a good thread for educational purposes. A long time ago, before I got into the mastiff breeds, I was a GSD owner. I had a Sch II bitch from working lines that was like a machine. But would routinely get her butt kicked by dogs half her size at the dog park, at the beach, at the swimming hole, etc. Made me mad that she wouldn't/couldn't defend herself against other dogs. Just useless in that department. I made up my mind then and there, that the next dog I owned wouldn't be getting bullied, picked on, or intimidated (or worse) by other dogs. That led me to my Tibetan Mastiff, who had the heart of a Lion. HUGE difference over the GSD in terms of sticking up for itself. I live in a very rural area, miles from paved roads and in between a National Park and a National Forest. I have a small ranch on which I raise horses, cattle and about a hundred chickens that seem to attract predators like it was their job. I have all kinds of wildlife out here from coyotes,mountain lions, bobcats, feral dogs, badgers raccoon. The couple that live on the neighboring property had a shorthaired pointer, a real sweet dog, that got mauled by something one night. I helped them bury her the next day. I am just glad that the Mastiff/Molosser breeds DO have fighting blood in their veins, as that is what makes my dogs capable ranch guardians and livestock defenders. My Bull-Dogo has the scars to show for a few tussles with packs of coyotes. He has taken on three at a time and still lived to tell about it! Were it not for his fighting genetics, the story may have had a different and saddening outcome. Just my 2 cents

 

[al capone]

If you do a bit of searching on the internets, you can find several videos of Caucasian Ovtcharkas battling wolves, pitbulls, bears (i'm not kidding!), other Caucasian dogs, etc. They are a truly ferocious contender. I did not see any of the pitbulls emerge the victor from those battles. Take that for what it is worth. Just the sheer size of those Caucasians with their thick, wooly coat and you can see where they would be at a HUGE advantage over a typical pitbull. I think this is a good thread for educational purposes. A long time ago, before I got into the mastiff breeds, I was a GSD owner. I had a Sch II bitch from working lines that was like a machine. But would routinely get her butt kicked by dogs half her size at the dog park, at the beach, at the swimming hole, etc. Made me mad that she wouldn't/couldn't defend herself against other dogs. Just useless in that department. I made up my mind then and there, that the next dog I owned wouldn't be getting bullied, picked on, or intimidated (or worse) by other dogs. That led me to my Tibetan Mastiff, who had the heart of a Lion. HUGE difference over the GSD in terms of sticking up for itself. I live in a very rural area, miles from paved roads and in between a National Park and a National Forest. I have a small ranch on which I raise horses, cattle and about a hundred chickens that seem to attract predators like it was their job. I have all kinds of wildlife out here from coyotes,mountain lions, bobcats, feral dogs, badgers raccoon. The couple that live on the neighboring property had a shorthaired pointer, a real sweet dog, that got mauled by something one night. I helped them bury her the next day. I am just glad that the Mastiff/Molosser breeds DO have fighting blood in their veins, as that is what makes my dogs capable ranch guardians and livestock defenders. My Bull-Dogo has the scars to show for a few tussles with packs of coyotes. He has taken on three at a time and still lived to tell about it! Were it not for his fighting genetics, the story may have had a different and saddening outcome. Just my 2 cents

Really very interesting experience you have had. It must be a beautiful place where you live. You own the biggest dog of all and a very fierce,Tibetan Mastiff. Sure you have much under control with that dog. Sad story about the Pointer and a very happy one about your Bull-Dogo.
Is it a mix Bull Mastiff xDogo Argentino,right? He must be a Taft dog .
I think like you about the Caucacian Ovtcharkas ,it's too hard to beat. Even the APBT for his size is more agile and with big dog they go to the legs,but I believe that C O is the winner.
I live in a tropical place,hot and humid so very difficult to have a dog like yours or the C O . Even there are a very few San Bernard.
Thanks for your knowledge answer

 

[QY10]

If you do a bit of searching on the internets, you can find several videos of Caucasian Ovtcharkas battling wolves, pitbulls, bears (i'm not kidding!), other Caucasian dogs, etc. They are a truly ferocious contender. I did not see any of the pitbulls emerge the victor from those battles. Take that for what it is worth. Just the sheer size of those Caucasians with their thick, wooly coat and you can see where they would be at a HUGE advantage over a typical pitbull. I think this is a good thread for educational purposes. A long time ago, before I got into the mastiff breeds, I was a GSD owner. I had a Sch II bitch from working lines that was like a machine. But would routinely get her butt kicked by dogs half her size at the dog park, at the beach, at the swimming hole, etc. Made me mad that she wouldn't/couldn't defend herself against other dogs. Just useless in that department. I made up my mind then and there, that the next dog I owned wouldn't be getting bullied, picked on, or intimidated (or worse) by other dogs. That led me to my Tibetan Mastiff, who had the heart of a Lion. HUGE difference over the GSD in terms of sticking up for itself. I live in a very rural area, miles from paved roads and in between a National Park and a National Forest. I have a small ranch on which I raise horses, cattle and about a hundred chickens that seem to attract predators like it was their job. I have all kinds of wildlife out here from coyotes,mountain lions, bobcats, feral dogs, badgers raccoon. The couple that live on the neighboring property had a shorthaired pointer, a real sweet dog, that got mauled by something one night. I helped them bury her the next day. I am just glad that the Mastiff/Molosser breeds DO have fighting blood in their veins, as that is what makes my dogs capable ranch guardians and livestock defenders. My Bull-Dogo has the scars to show for a few tussles with packs of coyotes. He has taken on three at a time and still lived to tell about it! Were it not for his fighting genetics, the story may have had a different and saddening outcome. Just my 2 cents

In terms of dog fighting, dogs were usually matched by weight. Of course a dog with 100lbs on another dog would have a significant advantage.


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