Is APBT the top fighter of all dogs? No one beats him,in general terms

[Hector]

If you want big and dogs with a history of dog fighting, look at the tosa or bully kutta.

 

[Esand]

In terms of dog fighting, dogs were usually matched by weight. Of course a dog with 100lbs on another dog would have a significant advantage.

I have no idea about the olden days of dogmen and organized pits but for the most part, where dog fighting still occurs, its enter the animal of your choice. The reason a large mastiff can handle a wolf but might loose to a bull terrier is because of the completely different way a wolf fights. A wolf will look for a chance to withdrawal from a fight, they generally have no interest in fighting with dogs and LGDs generally are not looking to kill a predator and are content to let it withdrawal. Pitt Bulls and other fighting dogs will latch on and not let go regardless of much damage they themselves take. They'll bite down till their last breath leaves their body.

 

[QY10]

I have no idea about the olden days of dogmen and organized pits but for the most part, where dog fighting still occurs, its enter the animal of your choice. The reason a large mastiff can handle a wolf but might loose to a bull terrier is because of the completely different way a wolf fights. A wolf will look for a chance to withdrawal from a fight, they generally have no interest in fighting with dogs and LGDs generally are not looking to kill a predator and are content to let it withdrawal. Pitt Bulls and other fighting dogs will latch on and not let go regardless of much damage they themselves take. They'll bite down till their last breath leaves their body.

True enough! I think the tenacity of the bully breeds to get the job done is unmatched.


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[Molossers R Us]

I have no idea about the olden days of dogmen and organized pits but for the most part, where dog fighting still occurs, its enter the animal of your choice. The reason a large mastiff can handle a wolf but might loose to a bull terrier is because of the completely different way a wolf fights. A wolf will look for a chance to withdrawal from a fight, they generally have no interest in fighting with dogs and LGDs generally are not looking to kill a predator and are content to let it withdrawal. Pitt Bulls and other fighting dogs will latch on and not let go regardless of much damage they themselves take. They'll bite down till their last breath leaves their body.

Yes, you nailed it! It is interesting to see the degree of involvement each dog will get in, with regards to defending the homestead & also engaging an adversary, be they 2 legged or 4. Upon seeing an animal intruder, my Bullmastiff will make a lot of noise and animated posturing, but he would be happiest if it continued on its way. Now if it climbs over the fence he will reallly make a lot more noise and rush & jump against it a couple of times. But would still happily let it leave as he feels like he has done his job in protecting the livestock and running a predator off. But often by this point, my BullDogo has heard the commotion and wades into the fray. If he engages a predator, he will not stop until it is dead. The tenacity he has and the energy he brings to the event are startling! Like, I wouldnt believe it if I hadnt have seen it with my own eyes. We tend to get comfortable with our dogs, cuddle with them, feed them, walk them, and dont really think what they are truly capable of until called upon to do so.

 

[al capone]

Molloser R Us

Your BullDogo is it your tibetan Mastiff ?


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[al capone]

If you want big and dogs with a history of dog fighting, look at the tosa or bully kutta.

Hi Hector
How did you learn so much of that many dog's type ?
I read about both dogs, I like better the Tosa. That would be my next dog or keep going with CC.


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[Hector]

Hi HectorHow did you learn so much of that many dog's type ?I read about both dogs, I like better the Tosa. That would be my next dog or keep going with CC. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Just because I'm antisocial and I watch a lot of youtube videos and my bf has been obsessed with the Tosa for a long time. He almost got one before he met me. I would love a Tosa one day.

 

[Nitrojedi]

I would like to have your opinion about this. Isn't better fighter a Kandal,Alabai,Cane Corso,Dogo Argentino or Caucacian Shepherds?.

The Pitbull is a fairly small dog to go up against some of the giants like the kangals.....a 50 lb Pitbull would take out a 50lb Kangal but a 50 lb Pitbull is no match for a 170 lb Kangal. In the end size makes a huge difference that a little more attitude isn't going to overcome... In its weight class a pitbull is the best of the best but against the giants its no match....A Pitbull was bred to be a smaller sized fighting dog that could easily be handled and transported as well as more affordable to feed then the giant breeds, a true fighting pitbull is not a big dog at all ..pound for pound the toughest dog that lives but when its going against something triple its size its going to be at a massive disadvantage...

 

[al capone]

Just because I'm antisocial and I watch a lot of youtube videos and my bf has been obsessed with the Tosa for a long time. He almost got one before he met me. I would love a Tosa one day.

Well it's hard to be a social person,I also rather spend the day with Al Capone then going to a friend's house. I have a family and my children just finished this December her university,the youngest of three. So I have all freedom. But I don't know even 10% of what you know about dogs.
What characteristics do you like for owning a Tolsa.?

 

[al capone]

The Pitbull is a fairly small dog to go up against some of the giants like the kangals.....a 50 lb Pitbull would take out a 50lb Kangal but a 50 lb Pitbull is no match for a 170 lb Kangal. In the end size makes a huge difference that a little more attitude isn't going to overcome... In its weight class a pitbull is the best of the best but against the giants its no match....A Pitbull was bred to be a smaller sized fighting dog that could easily be handled and transported as well as more affordable to feed then the giant breeds, a true fighting pitbull is not a big dog at all ..pound for pound the toughest dog that lives but when its going against something triple its size its going to be at a massive disadvantage...

Thanks Nitrojed ,what you wrote makes a lot of sense. It was what I had doubts. But has to be a higher big fighter big dog. What about CC or Dogo Arg. ,will they do it,to beat a APBT?

 

[Hector]

Well it's hard to be a social person,I also rather spend the day with Al Capone then going to a friend's house. I have a family and my children just finished this December her university,the youngest of three. So I have all freedom. But I don't know even 10% of what you know about dogs.What characteristics do you like for owning a Tolsa.?

Don't be mistaken. I am a newbie and read here and there, but you shouldn't trust everything you read on the internet. I focus and spend a lot of time in the dog behavior/training department. As for Tosas, I love their size, look, temperament, health, and level of stamina and athleticism. A breeder in Canada bred light weight tosas and she conditions her dogs to participate in the schutzhund endurance test (look it up online) and I believe she had one pass it with flying colors. To pass such a test with a large dog really shows how capable and healthy they are, well at least the ones she bred.

 

[al capone]

Don't be mistaken. I am a newbie and read here and there, but you shouldn't trust everything you read on the internet. I focus and spend a lot of time in the dog behavior/training department. As for Tosas, I love their size, look, temperament, health, and level of stamina and athleticism. A breeder in Canada bred light weight tosas and she conditions her dogs to participate in the schutzhund endurance test (look it up online) and I believe she had one pass it with flying colors. To pass such a test with a large dog really shows how capable and healthy they are, well at least the ones she bred.

Yes,Tosas look beautiful,I like them very much. I like there look,size and temperament.Have you ever owned a CC. They are very special to. They hooked up much to one person specially and are great to the complete family too.

 

[EverythingEnglishMastiff]

Give me a mastiff sized dog with the temperament of my old rat terrier. THAT would be nigh impossible to beat 1v1 lol.

 

[Hector]

Yes,Tosas look beautiful,I like them very much. I like there look,size and temperament.Have you ever owned a CC. They are very special to. They hooked up much to one person specially and are great to the complete family too.

No, Hector is my first and I bought him and like a lot of people's mistake as a first time puppy buyer, I bought him without doing too much research on the breeder and it turns out she was a byb. Oh well, you live and you learn. I don't know if I'll ever buy a CC, maybe adopt one in the future, but they do sound amazing. Hector is the same way in terms of bondage. He is very bonded to me and doesn't like my bf walking him lol.

 

[Hector]

Here's a forum member's (he doesn't frequent the forum, but I'm sure you've seen this threads about his tosas - just do a tosa inu seach on here and you'll see it) tosa, Musashi. This dog looks amazing. Musashi Brad Anderson

 

[al capone]

No, Hector is my first and I bought him and like a lot of people's mistake as a first time puppy buyer, I bought him without doing too much research on the breeder and it turns out she was a byb. Oh well, you live and you learn. I don't know if I'll ever buy a CC, maybe adopt one in the future, but they do sound amazing. Hector is the same way in terms of bondage. He is very bonded to me and doesn't like my bf walking him lol.

Hahahaha yea,they hooked up hard. AC every morning got very exited when we met. My children say look now comes "the big love story" hahahahah and it really is. Lol



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[Hector]

Hahahaha yea,they hooked up hard. AC every morning got very exited when we met. My children say look now comes "the big love story" hahahahah and it really is. LolSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Omg that is hilarious!!!

 

[msmandy]

I bought a tosa just for a "pitt" problem. Not the dogs fault, but as always its the owners fault. My story>This dog got aggressive toward me twice while I was in MY yard. I live in a city with leash laws and the police would not do anything about it. I dont always carry a pistol on me and I have already been attacked once while I was on the front porch drinking coffee. I too did reasearch into what would beat a pitt or a APBT. Again and again it came up Tosa Inu. Now I have no worries about being in my own yard. My tosa is always at my side. The pitt decided that he did not want no part of my yard anymore. There has not been a single fight, thank goodness. But the peace of mind is wonderful and I have a wonderful varmit dog. He absolutely loves killing squirrels, rabbits, snakes, possums, armadillos, etc. I dont encourage it at all. I also find an occasional carcass in the yard from the occasional cat or small dog that come into the yard. Its not the pets fault, there are just so many bad pet owners out there. I fenced my property (all 13 acres) to make sure my dogs NEVER get out, but I cannot fence out every animal that decides to get through. All of my animals stay on my property, at all times. No excuses. All pet owners should do the same. If you take the responsibility to take a pet, then you need to ensure it stays on your property, not mine. Your unvaccinated, flea infested pet can cause disastrous damage to my pets. Yes it was expensive to get a Tosa, but its the best dog I have ever had. I am over 50, and have had many many dogs in my life ranging from mutts to pedigreed.

 

[Hector]

I bought a tosa just for a "pitt" problem. Not the dogs fault, but as always its the owners fault. My story>This dog got aggressive toward me twice while I was in MY yard. I live in a city with leash laws and the police would not do anything about it. I dont always carry a pistol on me and I have already been attacked once while I was on the front porch drinking coffee. I too did reasearch into what would beat a pitt or a APBT. Again and again it came up Tosa Inu. Now I have no worries about being in my own yard. My tosa is always at my side. The pitt decided that he did not want no part of my yard anymore. There has not been a single fight, thank goodness. But the peace of mind is wonderful and I have a wonderful varmit dog. He absolutely loves killing squirrels, rabbits, snakes, possums, armadillos, etc. I dont encourage it at all. I also find an occasional carcass in the yard from the occasional cat or small dog that come into the yard. Its not the pets fault, there are just so many bad pet owners out there. I fenced my property (all 13 acres) to make sure my dogs NEVER get out, but I cannot fence out every animal that decides to get through. All of my animals stay on my property, at all times. No excuses. All pet owners should do the same. If you take the responsibility to take a pet, then you need to ensure it stays on your property, not mine. Your unvaccinated, flea infested pet can cause disastrous damage to my pets. Yes it was expensive to get a Tosa, but its the best dog I have ever had. I am over 50, and have had many many dogs in my life ranging from mutts to pedigreed.

What kennel did you get your tosa from?

 

[Nitrojedi]

Thanks Nitrojed ,what you wrote makes a lot of sense. It was what I had doubts. But has to be a higher big fighter big dog. What about CC or Dogo Arg. ,will they do it,to beat a APBT?

Hell yes a CC would be capable if called upon... in fighting size makes a huge difference and at the end of the day a pitbull is only medium sized dog....They were bred for small size to make them more manageable and cheaper to feed... the goal of dog fighting is profits from gambling, not to make the ultimate warrior dog...So the Pitbull fit the bill perfectly, they were small sized, easy to manage and had tenacious personalities...But ultimately when it comes to fighting size matters a whole bunch and a 45lb dog is at a serious disadvantage to a 150lb dog...As I say a Pitbull was not bred to be the ultimate dog destroyer, they were bred to be a manageable sized fighting dog.... Sure a nasty 45 lb pit could beat lots of big dogs as most dogs aren't into fighting but there are some big dogs who will fight every bit as hard as a pit and when that happens the pitbull is at a disadvantage..... I know Enzo's dad Rocco is a real tough hombre who will fight and who would be nightmare for any pitbull.... 145 lbs tall, lean and ridiculously powerful and athletic with a no nonsense alpha male attitude.