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Oak Hill Farm

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I'm not sure, depends. Kato is still jumpy/skittish and Rocco is too excited/dominant. Anything under 10 feet sets him off on home turf, so we'll see how he progresses. Hopefully within the week.

I really don't want to break up a scuffle and Kato doesn't trust me enough for me to manhandle him.

BUT *excited* he just nudged my hand. Baby steps :) negative, I forgot how horrible kibble farts are *blech*


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BlackShadowCaneCorso

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Glad to hear it is going well. Tell Rocco to keep the attitude in check or a tune up might be in order! He knows how good he has it and doesn't want to share :) but tell him this guy needs it so smarten up!
 

Cody

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Awesome Ang! Fantastic!
Tell Rocco if he doesn't smarten up he will be shipped to Canada ;)
Keep us updated.
With the newest addition does that mean there is still a BB in the future?
 

Oak Hill Farm

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With the newest addition does that mean there is still a BB in the future?

I am not sure. I have been waiting forever on this litter and they are not sure they will breed her again so???? Might be my only chance. However it will depend on how easily Kato adapts, and how much time he needs. Also my food bill for three 130 lb dogs, lol.


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Oak Hill Farm

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Chilling inside, hemlines to lay with frog legs :)


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Oak Hill Farm

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Well it's been 3 days and its been fun, lol. For the first two days I was home all day. so he attached himself to me like glue! Went to work all day yesterday and then the shelter (so long day), got home and now I'm a stranger and my husband is like velcro.

If you leave the house for any length of time you have to reintroduce yourself like you have never met. This was noticeably better yesterday. I have gathered he has never been alone; Or not very often. He seems at a loss without other dogs or a person around, like he has no idea what to do with himself.

the thing I had to get used to is he growls to get your attention. Not in a menacing way, just a growl and if you look at him he will yip and wag his tail. this woke me from a nap, talk about startled awake with his head inches from my face. Now that I know what he's doing it's fine. We'll work on some better communication, lol. He is also not much of a barker. If my other dogs bark sometimes he joins, but is is a very soft woof. If they bark, he is also more unsure. Our ACD barks like a lunitic and bounces around like a jackrabbit when I get home, the whole thing kind of weirds him out, so he is not sure how to greet me. He is leery and he really takes cues off of other dogs (co-dependent to the max).

He is still rather unsure about it all which causes a noticeable "depressed" effect in him. For this reason no formal intro's to Rocco yet, who would roll him, just to do it. We can be pretty close now though and Rocco just ignores him, but it's a fine line between distance introduction and "tormenting", so once a day is really all I do. Still on leash at all times. Seem fine with the horses. The cows freak him out a little. The goats and chickens elicit a mild (very mild) bit of prey drive. hopefully this doesn't get worse as his comfort level increases. He did eat a full meal last night for the first time, and he drank from the bowl inside. He was only drinking from one of the outside bowls.

My only real issues with him are: He is still uncomfortable around my son, who is almost 15 and very adult like (so no little child movements). I assume my son is nervous (even if he says he is not). It is something I am monitoring. The thing that makes me nervous, is i was under the assumption he had no drive to bite. Wrong. He nailed my husband's hand the first day and scraped skin. Granted my husband was pushing (even after I told him ), but still. A dog so insecure it bites is something that will take a different type and amount of work. My husband was near Amanda (his foster mom) at the time. That and other things since this, as well as a conversation (read between the lines), leads me to believe he is VERY protective of "his" family. It also concerns me he looked fairly relaxed. Not agitated or nervous, So obviously he has been inadvertently taught to not give warning.

He seems much more people protective than area protective though. Where Rocco is protective of his area (house, yard, livestock, car) he is not necessarily protective of me. Meaning I can take him out and cautiously manage him and he is better behaved because we are off his turf. Where as at home, no one is allowed. This dog is more protective of me, meaning everywhere we are he thinks he needs to protect. We will start classical counter conditioning soon (after he gets better adjusted) and see how he is or how bad it is. I'm doubting right now how much is fear based.
 

angelbears

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Sounds like you have a good grasp on it. Sorry to hear about the hubby but he should have listened to you. When will they ever learn. LOL
 

natsan6

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First...Congrats Oak!

I have no where near the amount of experience you do but I have dealt with some of what you are experiencing with him especially the protection of you and unable to relax. Having everyone around me relaxed and completely ignoring him helped a lot when we had Gemini. I think that once he realizes that your home and not just you will be his territory some of this will subside, and the protection will be better placed.
Something else that may be completely off base but sounds a great deal like Gemini's behavior is the warning bite when he was relaxed.....Gemini almost seemed more comfortable when he was "guarding" me or "watching" than when everyone was relaxed and ignoring him. It was hard for him for a really long time to let his guard/watching/protection instincts to subside, this is something else that got better with time when he realized everyone and everything were "his." It was sad watching him try to relax but his fear and instincts wouldn't let him. He had a hard time accepting others besides me and I think I might have inadvertently fed it because his neediness of me and uncomfortable postures and stances with others (especially my kids, he didn't workout because of my 3 year old :( ) I had a tendency to worry about leaving him and feeling like I was the only one that "watched" enough. So I guess what I am getting at, my measly 2 cents, would be to pass some of his needs off to the others to help him understand they are his also....(your probably already doing that but there it is lol) Good Luck! He is a gorgeous boy and I am sure these bumps are just that bumps. He couldn't be in better hands.
 

Cody

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Thanks for the update Ang, hopefully he can be rehabilitated, and you are definitely the right person to do it!
Is he okay at all around D? Or do they just avoid each other?
Keep us posted!
 

Oak Hill Farm

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Hubby will survive, it was a tiny scratch, I've seen him do worse to himself with his tools on the job, lol. And he did get bit once really bad while reading gas meters, he said that was a bite, not this, :)

@Cody: he and D are good as long as D ignores him. He even will lay his head on his foot sometimes when he is dozing. But it's very inconsistent, sometimes he's ok and others he's not. Yesterday Kato freaked out when D woke up, like he forgot he was there. He also will not go in to D's room unless I am there and bribe him with treats, and then he is obviously nervous. I'm not sure what the deal is, maybe an associated memory from the past. Sometimes he barely lifts an eye and sometimes he sits up and gets a little to focused for my liking. I don't know. There is not a tell that I can see. D was not expressing anything obvious, except when Kato gets focused, D starts acting nervous, and I have to remind him to "be normal" don't halt or move slow. However I can't see the original action that triggers the attention.

Kato doesn't avoid D, but he does not actively seek him out like he does me and sometimes the hubby. He does fine when D walks him. If you hold the leash, he'll be anyone's friend. I just really don't know and that's why it's sketchy to me. Amanda sort of said one of her issues of keeping him was he was getting more uncomfortable when her son's friends stopped by. At first I assumed this meant he was getting more protective of the family, and not as ok with strangers. Since she specifically said her son's friends (who is the same age as my son) I wonder if it is not that age group and not the situation at all.
 

Cody

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Hmmm. Ya that would worry me as well.
I would guess he was abused tormented by some at one point, enough to put him on guard.
Since he is targeting, so to speak, that age group.
Hopefully he can come around and adjust to D and friends around, know that no one is going to hurt him. But damn that sucks.
Glad every thing else is going good with him though.