srmorris87
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My little girl is an American mastiff x shar pei. I have looked everywhere and can't find anything about how either breed acts as a puppy! it's driving me nuts! Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
Nope it's considered a breed by some people. Not akc recognized though. It's a mastiff x Anatolian shepherd.Could it be another name for english mastiff?
Nope it's considered a breed by some people. Not akc recognized though. It's a mastiff x Anatolian shepherd.
.It's supposed to be a better version of the English mastiffs because they are supposedly less drooly. There's been a couple epic "discussions" about the breed from time to time
Being a member of that forum, I think I can contribute some helpful information.
First, ALL breeds were originally crosses at some point in time -- it depends where in the time continuum you pound in the marker -- does 200 years since the crosses were used define a 'pure bred'?100 years? 50 years? Less?The American Mastiff has now been around for closing in on 40 years. In 2002 it was recognised as a breed by the CKC. More recently, when it was able to fulfill the requirements of the AKC for beginning the process for breed recognition, the membership voted against pursuing this, as they believe the AKC has done irreparable damage to its recognised breeds as showing took precedence over function, health and temperament.Additionally, the mission of the American Mastiff Breeders Council is to produce family pets, not show or working dogs. I realise the CKC is not considered a 'legitimate' registry by many, however it has come a long way in recent years, and is the haven for several proper working breeds who feared the same thing about the AKC.
I would say, however, that IF the OP indeed has an offspring of an AM, People on that forum will be deeply upset, and she may not get the warmest reception. There are only 8 approved breeders in this country, and they all ONLY sell their puppies with spay/neuter contracts prohibiting breeding. This is specifically to prevent AM's from falling into the hands of BYB's.
I agree -- if they were not going to pursue AKC recognition, I think the best option may have been their own registry. OTOH, I was surprised to learn (as I said) that a number of working breeds -- Border Collies, several of the 'gun dogs', and so on opted for the CKC. I would point out that many of our mastiff breeds have only recently been AKC recognised; for example, the Cane Corso was just recognised in 2010. The AM was eligible and met the criteria for beginning the journey a couple of years ago, but elected not to -- for reasons stated. So it wasn't as if they were refused.....though I kinda wish they'd gone with UKC over CKC, or even just built their own single breed registry instead.
First of all, we are not talking about a 50 -50 proposition. The founder says 1/8 Anatolian. Whilst I have a bit of an issue about how she arrived at that estimation -- as I don't believe she is a geneticist -- it means fairly small infusion of Anatolian genes. Also, I know what the breed descriptors say, but I have searched for owners of Kangals -- which appears to be the original Anatolian contributor -- to 'interview'. Their comments depict an intelligent dog who is very loving and protective of their family and 'dependents' -- be they sheep, goats, children or neighbors. Additionally, if anyone watched the documentary on preserving cheetas through introducing Kangal to protect flocks in Namibia, they will do the minimum necessary to drive away the threat.The EM Anatolian cross in general bothers me a bit
Who do you mean by 'they'?oh god, so not only do we have a BYB crossing AMs with Sharpei, but now they're telling folks that socialization isn't needed??
She didn't say not to socialize her, she just said she didn't with her female. The male was socialized like crazy, he was just a big sweet heart.
And just b/c my dog isn't AKC recognized, or comes from a reputable breeder (she didn't mean for her dog to get pregnant... It was her first heat), doesn't mean she is not a real mastiff. It's rude to say she's not. And if that's how people are on this forum I don't think this is the right place for me.