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Best Dog for Illegal immigrant traffic on property?

Winterspring

Winterspring

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You're gonna think I'm nuts, and you'd be right. Ha. But seriously, it sounds like a lot of these breeds would suit ALMOST all of your needs, so why not get more than one? The Cane Corso seems to be highly recommended for you, and the Boerboel. The Dogo Argentino also seems to be recommended for you. Why not all three? The white coloring can be offset with sunblock that can be made for dogs. (There are recipes for just about any product for dogs and cats on the internet that are safe, all natural and effective.)

A Fila would be amazing and fit your needs very well, seem to pack well, and will NOT let strangers on your property. If it's a mini ranch, you should have enough room to kennel a Fila well away from the house when company comes. They are a bit clingy, though, and like to be by the person they chose. (Mine is a Fila.) They were bred to do everything except play the piano. (Or snuggle up to strangers.)

Also? Geese. And goats. They make excellent "watchdogs" and geese can be NASTY. Having other animals like this will also fulfill any herding instincts the dog(s) you choose may have. Plus...Goats. Goats are awesome.

I'll definitely chime in with those that say you should go to a good breeder. (Or a few.) And the breeders will also tell you, "Yes. Our dogs are exactly what you're looking for!" or "No, I don't think this breed would suit what you need." At least, good breeders will. They'll also tell you which dogs will work well with the chosen breed. Good breeders want to promote their breed and improve it, while preserving its ability to do its job. So they want the best possible homes for their puppies.

And though I admit I don't know much about them, and frankly because of a couple of bad experiences I'm timid around Pit Bulls, I hear they're awesome and pretty all-around from their enthusiasts, so I wonder if maybe a few good ol' PB's might be the way to go.

Of course, I live in a house with three cats, my Fila, and we're planning on getting another dog after Taurus is neutered in a year. I plan on dedicating an entire room to snakes and lizards, and we want a couple of chickens. So I may be a dodgy source of advice, because you may end up with five hundred animals. :p
 
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Dan

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Hi
Let me say first of all that I am from London UK - so I have no ideas about mountain lions or packs of marauding coyotes! :)
However, having owned a rottweiler in the past and boerboel now, I would personally take a different approach to some suggestions here.
If your main concern is to deter trespassers, I would suggest having a smaller breed that will scurry about happily in the heat and alert you if anyone approaches - maybe have a few (?)
A boerboel would be a great choice to protect you personally - that is to stay with you in the house or around the house.
I would not advise letting one (and certainly not several!) run around unsupervised, even on your own land.
I understand your point about the law and the limited extent of your liability if trespassers are attacked - but I am sure you don't really want a death or permanent injury on your conscience if someone was just passing through ?
A single boerboel is capable of killing an adult male. There have been recent incidents of people losing arms when attacked by these dogs.
My suggestion would be a boerboel to be by your side (which is what they love), and something like an Australian Cattle dog or dogs to alert and deter people from approaching.
If for any reason you do not favour the boerboel then I would certainly recommend a rottweiler from a good working line.
I don't mean any disrespect to other posters - but for me there is a world of difference between people passing through and people who present a direct threat.
I hope you find this constructive.

Dan
 
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Primehns

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I think you should pick a defensive breed, that is massively intimidating, like this guy:
I would be gone as soon as i saw him.
[video=youtube;RtVVa37XcJg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtVVa37XcJg[/video]



 
DMikeM

DMikeM

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Primehns, Those dogs have too much fur for the Arizona desert, cactus, burrs and heat would make those dogs miserable.

Dan Rotties might work out but I think they are not very heat tolerant. My 2 Rott/Chow mixes do well in the heat but we only get to 100 one or 2 weeks the whole year.
 
LizB

LizB

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The smaller dogs that can scurry about in the heat are prime targets for coyotes. You have to have a dog that will not be lured off and wind up lunch for the local wildlife, unfortunately.
 
DMikeM

DMikeM

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I have seen packs leave an in heat bitch coyote alone near a home so the domestic dog follows her out. Then the pack surounds the dog and kill it. They are smart animals and you need a dog with a high prey drive and size to take care of them.
 
Rugers-Kris

Rugers-Kris

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I really like all of your suggestions BUT the Pit Bull. I raised and owned APBT's for many years and their prey drive is WAY too high to live in harmony with all of the the other animals and they are normally dog aggressive so you have to be careful. They require a ton of training and aren't the greatest watch dogs. I had a few out of all of mine that showed real protective behavior but for all of the bad rap they receive, they are people friendly dogs. People say Beware of the Pit Bull and others normally believe it because of all of the Press about them but they are real lovers in the end. They will however eat every other animal they can get a hold of ....LOL. I am as bad as you, though, I fear the day when I finally get out on my property because I'm not sure I will be able to control myself from getting more dogs besides the one Fila I have planned once I don't have the space excuse. :)
Winterspring said:
You're gonna think I'm nuts, and you'd be right. Ha. But seriously, it sounds like a lot of these breeds would suit ALMOST all of your needs, so why not get more than one? The Cane Corso seems to be highly recommended for you, and the Boerboel. The Dogo Argentino also seems to be recommended for you. Why not all three? The white coloring can be offset with sunblock that can be made for dogs. (There are recipes for just about any product for dogs and cats on the internet that are safe, all natural and effective.)

A Fila would be amazing and fit your needs very well, seem to pack well, and will NOT let strangers on your property. If it's a mini ranch, you should have enough room to kennel a Fila well away from the house when company comes. They are a bit clingy, though, and like to be by the person they chose. (Mine is a Fila.) They were bred to do everything except play the piano. (Or snuggle up to strangers.)

Also? Geese. And goats. They make excellent "watchdogs" and geese can be NASTY. Having other animals like this will also fulfill any herding instincts the dog(s) you choose may have. Plus...Goats. Goats are awesome.

I'll definitely chime in with those that say you should go to a good breeder. (Or a few.) And the breeders will also tell you, "Yes. Our dogs are exactly what you're looking for!" or "No, I don't think this breed would suit what you need." At least, good breeders will. They'll also tell you which dogs will work well with the chosen breed. Good breeders want to promote their breed and improve it, while preserving its ability to do its job. So they want the best possible homes for their puppies.

And though I admit I don't know much about them, and frankly because of a couple of bad experiences I'm timid around Pit Bulls, I hear they're awesome and pretty all-around from their enthusiasts, so I wonder if maybe a few good ol' PB's might be the way to go.

Of course, I live in a house with three cats, my Fila, and we're planning on getting another dog after Taurus is neutered in a year. I plan on dedicating an entire room to snakes and lizards, and we want a couple of chickens. So I may be a dodgy source of advice, because you may end up with five hundred animals. :p
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Primehns

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You should get one mastiff breed to help rile up the other dog's, when someone trespasses, than get yourself a couple Anatolians, don't need to worry about them being lured off or heat, these are massive tough dog's, that are much intimidating, but i have no experience with them, so i can't say on their protection towards others. Maybe Cane corso's, they are fast and have a lot of stamina.
 
Winterspring

Winterspring

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Rugers-Kris said:
I really like all of your suggestions BUT the Pit Bull. I raised and owned APBT's for many years and their prey drive is WAY too high to live in harmony with all of the the other animals and they are normally dog aggressive so you have to be careful. They require a ton of training and aren't the greatest watch dogs. I had a few out of all of mine that showed real protective behavior but for all of the bad rap they receive, they are people friendly dogs. People say Beware of the Pit Bull and others normally believe it because of all of the Press about them but they are real lovers in the end. They will however eat every other animal they can get a hold of ....LOL. I am as bad as you, though, I fear the day when I finally get out on my property because I'm not sure I will be able to control myself from getting more dogs besides the one Fila I have planned once I don't have the space excuse. :)
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lol

Like I said, I know bupkus about APBTs, except that they kind of scare me. (Twice bitten, four times shy.)

Still. Geese and goats, too.

Also, make sure you like most, if not all, of the attributes of the dog you choose, and consider whether or not you'll want to play with them, too. It's important to love your dogs, even if they're working dogs. Don't just go for utility. While that's your primary concern, and by no means choose a breed just because it's cute, make sure you can love your dog, too. (Or dogs.) The more you bond with them, the better performance you'll get because they'll want to please their master.

Another thing to consider: A female will often be more territorial and protective than males will. "The female of the species is more deadly than the male" and all.
 
2nd Chance

2nd Chance

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DMikeM said:
Boerboels pack together very well.
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Coomore Boerboels in Africa has a couple dozen living in an open environment I think.
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Thanks for sharing this. Awesome!
 
BradA1878

BradA1878

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A dogo isn't a good idea, IMHO.

I've not been impressed with many Cane Corso when it comes to real protection work.

Be careful with Presa as many are very dog aggressive - all a perp needs to do is bring a dog along with them and they can walk right into a home guarded by a dog aggressive Presa.

There are very few BB breeders who produce stable dogs. I wouldn't concern myself with color and standards if what you want is true protection. Who care if the BB is a proper colors or not if it can't save your ass?

I think a CO would be too hot there. Our COC were toot hot in Taos and that was a much cooler place that. Where you are moving.

A Fila seems like an OK choice, tho I'd take a good BB over a Fila IMHO.
 
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