These are some big dogs!

[ruthcatrin]

Oh yah, much happier looking dog Northern.

 

[Rugers-Kris]

I agree. I, too, think that one could lose a few pounds but he does lookk healthier and happier than the rockport dogs.

 

[grazefull1]

well i know nothing on the EM but i think there both too big but the difference does seen to b one is happier than the other lol

at 2yr 256
its scare me that there goals is to have 300lbs dogs

 

[grazefull1]

but i think this one is ok at age 4 n 255lbs n i think they should have kept him at that weight r 5-10lbs lighter i think he's the best 1 there but know he maybe like 270 not as good looking

 

[northernmastiff]

well i know nothing on the EM but i think there both too big but the difference does seen to b one is happier than the other lol

at 2yr 256
its scare me that there goals is to have 300lbs dogs

That wasn't the goal with this breeder (the one I showed you), just what happened. His dogs are usually between 220 and 260 tops. He has a few dogs that are around 200. The goal for him is to create the best looking dog that has good bone, good movement and excellent health. For him, it was the head of the dog that was amazing and the conformation.

As I said, he could stand to lose a good 20 pounds but if you look at the overall confirmation, you can tell a is healthier and in better condition than b. Looking past the happy face, the dog I put up doesn't look as though his weight is pulling him down. In addition, if you look at the back end of the Rockport dog, something doesn't seem right.

 

[grazefull1]

but i think this one is ok at age 4 n 255lbs n i think they should have kept him at that weight r 5-10lbs lighter i think he's the best 1 there but know he maybe like 270 not as good looking

hmmm.... may question is should a mastiff under 2 yrs b over 250lbs i would love to c video of these mastiff that that was posted running about n playing that is over 265lbs cuz too many claim health,size,muscle n GREAT MOVEMENTS but have on proof of it n the pic of the 1 dog jumping a half a feet to a feet high doesnt count lol

 

[voidecho]

I think their brindle, Lord Tyson, looks great, but I'd never get a dog from them. Rockport doesn't do health testing and their health gaurantee is worse than almost any BYB. They don't gaurantee against any of "typical" EM problems because they say that all of those problems can and are caused by environment (the owners) and not genetics. Here's what they say...

As sublaxation, OCD and HOD can be the results of poor nutrition, improper exercise and/or excessive crating no warrantee shall apply for these conditions. It is the Sellers opinion that unilateral dysplasia is non-genetic and of injury or nutritional origin.As DJD Grade 1 type elbow dysplasia or unilateral elbow dysplasia can be the results of poor nutrition, improper exercise, injury from jumping or rough playing, no warrantee shall apply for this condition.As Thyroid disease is often the result of improper nutrition the seller reserves the right to not warrantee this condition.As heartworm related cardiac disease is brought on by neglect to properly care for the Mastiff no warrantee shall apply for this condition.No warrantee is given for Entropian or Extropian.Since undescended testicles can be caused by injury or other trama no warrantee is given for retained testicles after the puppy is received by the buyer. Male puppies have been examined and verified to have both testicles descended by my veterinarian at the time of health certification.

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[Cody]

Personally if I was going to get an EM, and oh I have thought about it lol, this is a breeder I would definitely speak with. http://abelliomastiffs.com/accueil-home

 

[northernmastiff]

Personally if I was going to get an EM, and oh I have thought about it lol, this is a breeder I would definitely speak with. http://abelliomastiffs.com/accueil-home

They have beautiful dogs. I see they have a lot of their dogs from Fireside, who is a breeder that I have been talking to. They have beautiful dogs both breeders do.

 

[voidecho]

I'd also check this out.

http://www.rockportmastiffs.ca/

Assuming the link above still works, even though it's not currently working on my stupid computer.

 

[grazefull1]

Personally if I was going to get an EM, and oh I have thought about it lol, this is a breeder I would definitely speak with. http://abelliomastiffs.com/accueil-home

very nice n it seen like they work there dogs too

 

[grazefull1]

I'd also check this out.

http://www.rockportmastiffs.ca/

Assuming the link above still works, even though it's not currently working on my stupid computer.

nope no luck

 

[voidecho]

Pretty sure this is the person who was running that site I linked above that appears broken.

[video=youtube;wS-N_at1Zz8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS-N_at1Zz8[/video]

I've found the video that had the phone call embedded in it and it's private now.

http://www.mikesmegabits.com/?p=267

 

[sissie20]

I love mountaintop mastiffs if i ever do get another eng mastiff they will be the ones i go to

 

[joshuagough]

True would indicate the original standard (just like the dogs shown in the documentary posted). The standard for a EM is mass in every area basically which is shown in the structure of thier dogs.

In a show ring they would do very well. The dog people are commenting on has a lot of type but that's not the same as fat, everyone has their opion tho. Small bone size just like my male in the legs doesn't represent the dog as well to the standard, heard many comments from judges on this about EMs.

also what is the ture EM? cuz ive seen documentry that says oversize isnt good ? ill will try to find it

 

[tojvan]

True would indicate the original standard (just like the dogs shown in the documentary posted). The standard for a EM is mass in every area basically which is shown in the structure of thier dogs.

In a show ring they would do very well. The dog people are commenting on has a lot of type but that's not the same as fat, everyone has their opion tho. Small bone size just like my male in the legs doesn't represent the dog as well to the standard, heard many comments from judges on this about EMs.

In the documentary its stated multiple times that soundness of structure is more important than plain size. A Dog can be big and still be athletic as is the case with some kangals and boz shepherds that can weigh 200 pounds and still chase down a wolf; they can do that because their mass is in proportion to their size. Excessively huge bone isn't something to celebrate either. In the documentary mastiffs are shown displaying their athleticism. The dogs depicted in the OP's post couldn't run even if their lives depended on it.

 

[alwcm4]

In comparison to the standard the dogs on Rockport's website are extremely overdone. I want a Mastiff with muscle and strength, not 'size' I seriously doubt some of those dogs could walk around my block, let alone the 4-6 miles I hike with my EM's in the nicer months. I can tell you too that in the grand scheme of things the males on their website would not do well at all in the show ring unless they were shown and finished before they matured like that. One thing that drives me crazy about this is that people who really don't know the history and standard of the Mastiff think these are prime examples. They are not. No EM's that I can find any pictures or history of looked like these dogs. And the problem with the "english" style is that 10 years ago or so they started having to import American lines back in because thier rears had become so poor and weak their was no stock to breed to left to fix the problem with in Europe. If you look at pictures (not one or two, like really study numerous dogs) I notice that the European lines have weaker sagging toplines and weaker rears as well as straighter rears. These are my biggest conformational pet peezes. Australian dogs seem to carry the same characteristics, however I haven't noticed it as severly. Breeding dogs this far from standard is no different than breeding EM's that are small and lack bone IMO. If you aren't breeding to standard you shouldn't be. Plus there is the 0 health testing thing. Sorry... long rant!

 

[DennasMom]

Two things caught my eye at Rockport...

1. Millie, the "UK IMPORT!" - YIKES. Waaaaay too much skin to be healthy. She definitely looks UNhappy, too...

2. Their health guarantee: We guarantee our dogs until they are 1 year old from any inherited life threatening disease.

Um... don't a LOT of inherited health issues (including hips) show up long after 1 year of age?? I supposed you could say bad hips are not "life threatening" too... or, eye issues, or skin issues... so, not much of a guarantee.

Most of the Rockport dogs look too big to be able to move comfortably. I don't think they'd be capable of ever being working dogs.

I like the look of the Abellio pups, much better, IMHO.

 

[voidecho]

Denna...I saw that guarantee too, but on the same page as that guarantee they state what I quoted above and will again. What exactly is that "guarantee" above supposed to cover if not the things below?

As sublaxation, OCD and HOD can be the results of poor nutrition, improper exercise and/or excessive crating no warrantee shall apply for these conditions. It is the Sellers opinion that unilateral dysplasia is non-genetic and of injury or nutritional origin.

As DJD Grade 1 type elbow dysplasia or unilateral elbow dysplasia can be the results of poor nutrition, improper exercise, injury from jumping or rough playing, no warrantee shall apply for this condition.

As Thyroid disease is often the result of improper nutrition the seller reserves the right to not warrantee this condition.As heartworm related cardiac disease is brought on by neglect to properly care for the Mastiff no warrantee shall apply for this condition.

No warrantee is given for Entropian or Extropian.

Since undescended testicles can be caused by injury or other trama no warrantee is given for retained testicles after the puppy is received by the buyer. Male puppies have been examined and verified to have both testicles descended by my veterinarian at the time of health certification.

 

[northernmastiff]

So basically, everything an English Mastiff can get (which are hereditary) can be caused by poor care...so...

There is so much wrong with this it isn't funny.

1. While I know you can get crappy buyers, shouldn't you screen them properly to help ensure adequate care.

2. How can you say that it is all crappy care if you do not have a strong foundation and know the health of your dogs, with certification.

3. Why even have a guarantee if you don't plan on covering it?

4. One year guarantee is crap and it's not worth the paper it is printed on.

I know a Lab breeder who produced 1 dog with hip dysplasia in her 30 years of breeding (that she was informed of). It was well after the 2 year guarantee that she gave the dogs and it could have been due to care. Anyway, she not only honoured her guarantee, she offered them a free puppy when they were ready for a new pup. She didn't have to but she felt responsible, that something she did resulted in this case of hip dysplasia. Another person lost her puppy before the 2 years was up through no fault of her own. The dog got away from the dog sitter and was hit by a car. Again, she gave the family a new puppy free of charge (They had already purchased several labs from her). This, to me, is the sign of a good breeder, not the crap that Rockport is putting out.