Should we Stud out our dog?

[chuckorlando]

Dont confuse being rude with being to the point.

The bottom line is with out testing a dog your rolling the dice breeding them. Even if they both seem like perfect dogs it could simply be recessed.

Then we have to ask our self why are we breeding these two? Personally I think the way a dog looks is the last reason on a short list. The first reason is real temperament followed likely by the drives. Though judging by what passes as good temp in most breeds now, I would say I'm the minority there.

More important then testing, is the reason behind the breeding. What does your dog have thats so damn special?

I would venture to say most breedings are a waste my self. Until you know some real history of the breed, old history, until you know what the real temperament and drives the breed should have. Historically, not what might pass mustard on this forum, or even in alot of kennels, real true to the breed kinda stuff...... Until you really get that, you simply should not even consider breeding.

Again, I'm likely in the minority here a well. Note, I never mention knowing the look. We all know what a EM looks like

 

[HULK101113]

I am a staff member on an international forum, if I saw anyone being treated the way that I am, I would of stepped in and stopped it. I've done nothing wrong.

lol I'm admin of an international forum, if I seen this post on my forum I would touch it cause no1s done anything wrong in my opinion



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[ruthcatrin]

This IS an international forum lol, we've members from the UK, at least a couple other European countries, India, Israel, South American.....

 

[HULK101113]

Come on Ruth
You forgot Australia


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[ruthcatrin]

Picky picky

 

[Th0r]

Canada too...

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[QY10]

Yeah! Don't forget us Canadians, eh!


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[ruthcatrin]

Like you all'd let me forget

 

[HULK101113]

Picky picky

We always get forgotten... Hahahaha


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[WalnutCrest]

Ummm...

America should be on that list. International doesn't just mean non-US.



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To the OP -- you asked simple questions and deserved straight forward answers. I have given them to you and offered my personal time at a time convenient to you and on my nickel and you think I'm being rude? The one seeking answers rarely gets to tell the instructor what is what. Do know that my offer stands. I would happily help you figure out what you need to know.

Related to this, you asked if we have been to your breeders website. Unless I missed it (which is possible), you've never said who she is.

Everyone has to start somewhere. I started 17 years ago with a brindle boy I wanted to "stud out". I didn't and am very thankful I didn't. LMK if you'd like to talk.

 

[afidz]

This whole comment is unnecessary
"Dude, you want rude.... "WTF, do you think you're doing?!!?? Are you a fucking troll??! DON'T BREED YOUR DAMN DOG!!" Which actually HAS been the response to a couple folks.....

And now you're all up in arms cause you got blunt responses. Would you honestly have been happy if we'd said "oh cool, you're going to breed? Let us know when you have pups!"

Trust me, we appreciate that you're asking questions. The miss-spelling of genes in particular came across as ignorant, but we do appreciate asking questions. And a breeder who's point of trying to get you to buy the breeding rights to your pup by selling you on how much money you can make? Um no, not impressed, no matter what else the qualifications are honestly."

AGAIN! WHY THE HELL AM I BEING TREATED LIKE A MONSTER!
How dare you call me ignorant. I know the difference between jeans and genes, LIKE I SAID I was typing fast and didn't proof read. Get off it already
NO I didn't want everyone to tell me to "go ahead and go for it". AGAIN I was just asking questions. I appreciate the honest answers, that is what I came here for, because I don't know anything.


Y'all say that you just care about the betterment of the breed, but in the way your responses have been, I don't see that being the case. If you wanted to educate somone about your cause you wouldn't be so quick to judge that they are ignorant money hungry people. Read all of the posts. Tell me that if you were me, you wouldn't feel attacked or at the very least out of place for simply asking questions. Thats all I am trying to get y'all to understand.
I am not a bad person, I haven't even met my dog yet and I truly already care about him and his life. I came to this website to connect with other people that have Mastiffs and learn something new about a breed that I have never personally handled before.
If any of you came to my forum and asked questions about its content and even spelled it wrong I would do nothing but welcome you with open arms because I truly care about my cause and want everyone to know the truth. I am not saying that you guys don't care, I am just saying that what you have all said and implied has been hurtful and offensive and that maybe you should reevaluate the words you have typed and learn from the negativity.

Now, that being said, because of the INFORMATION that you have posted, minues the attacks, I will probably not be breeding my dog. Hope you're all pleased that I feel like crap about myself now. Thanks for the warm welcome.

 

[HULK101113]

Dunno why you would feel crap about yourself??? It's only the internet


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[afidz]

P.S. When I said I was staff on an international forum, i guess that doesn't really mean much, as most are international. But as far as I know, it is one of the largest in the world. That is beside the point, all I was trying to say was that I would have tried to redirect the rudeness a long time ago. When you have a NEW member, you don't want them to feel threatened or attacked, you want them to stick around. Just some food for thought.

 

[HULK101113]

This forum is a great forum!
We also know how the welcome new members
You're not going to be able to please everyone on a forum (being staff you should know and understand this)
Members are also allowed to post there views and give there input on threads
Iv had problems in the passed on this forum but it's only the internet, don't take it so serious...


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[afidz]

You're right, it is only the internet. But even hiding behind my forum handle, I still care what people think of me. If I do continue to use this forum, I want my opinions to be respected. I feel like from this point on I will be viewed as "that " person. And being that I am a super mod in another forum, I do want to please everyone. Its why I am a super mod. Because I care. It really bothers me that so many people already have a problem with me and I was simply just trying to figure out whether or not to pay for breeding rights. I am not the kind of person to cause ripples in water, so I do take offense

 

[HULK101113]

The forum has new members every day, I highly doubt you will be known as "that" person
I get it bothers you, but honestly try not to because there are great members with a huge amount of knowledge and experience.


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[musicdeb]

Now that this post is out the way, give the forum and its members another chance. There are some good people on the forum with a wealth of information.

 

[AKBull]

You are a new member whose first post was something as controversial as it gets.
You have to have a little bit thicker skin if you want to play in this sand box.
Like some members here, I don't sugar coat things. You ask questions, you get answers.
If you care what people think on the internet, then the internet is not for you.

 

[mcarrel]

Afidz many times things get lost in translation as it were when we are typing rather than speaking and things come across harsher than what is meant by the responder. That being said there are so many posts where people come on here "I want to breed my dog bc he is special to me" "I want to breed my dog and make some money" etc that most posts strike a nerve that start off that way. Yes the people here are very passionate when it comes to this issue. There are many members who learned the hard way about health testing or lack thereof.

We have responsible breeders here and also people who show, rescue, and just pet owners who see the fallout on the breeds and individual dogs when things aren't done responsibly. Sometimes harshness is what it takes bc sometimes ( not meaning you) people will just not get it any other way. As a pet owner I would never bother with studding my dog simply because it's not something that interests me when I consider everything that goes into making that choice a responsible one and I think personally health testing is the bare minimum. Imho temperament testing working ability should be a consideration as much as breed standard (of looks) So I say to myself as passionate as I am about my breed do I have the time for all that and the honest answer is "No"

That is not to say that I think every single "show" breeder is perfect either. Many breeds have a lot of issues that aren't just because of irresponsible amateur breeders but from small gene pools exaggeration of type , loss of working ability, etc. when you take all that in account and then couple that with the thousands being bred by irresponsible matings it's just mind boggling. There is no shortage of EM so you have to ask yourself what is so fantastic about my dog and his lines that I should toss my hat in the ring and stud him out. Since most pure breed dogs are related somewhere in their pedigree your dog's genes are already being passed on in some form.

Walnut Crest is an example of what I like to see in a breeder not just because they are responsible and knowledgeable but bc they made an offer to speak to you, guide you even though you aren't considering a puppy from them.

 

[ruthcatrin]

If your skin is so thin that you can't take a blunt and to the point answer then you don't belong on line, much less staffing a forum.......

Your first post made it very clear that it (breeding) was all about the money, and you expected to get happy cheerful cheering responses from folks who care about the breed??